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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (11266)	2/18/2002 5:58:08 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

My conclusion is that a) Few citizens have any real representation in Congress - Only a handful have the testosterone and fortitude to think independently b) oversight of intel must be forced, it will not be willing. They have too much to hide. Let the intel services be as defensive as they wish. The more defensive, the better - to avoid the embarassment of Tenet's ridiculous presentation last week Allowing them any leeway at all means losing information They are not to be trusted. This we know. c) disclosure is better than what has been occuring Recall foreign agents at risk Implement Team B Give the few trustworthy Congressmen complete oversight Disclose everything with only the prior noted exceptions. Immediately. ----------------------- - Responding to your comments: It's not the amok agents that worries me. It's the people at the top. With moral, loyal leadership at the top, amok agents would NOT survive. - an attempt at transparency must be made, as difficult as it seems, it's working slightly, albeit a 40 year delay. We need to reduce that delay to weeks, not years. - The chance chain of command will be honored is as likely as these "rogues" (altho' calling the chairman of the Joint Chiefs a "rogue" makes that a useless term) are to get a conscience. - Diversion of funds, perpetrating heists, counterfeiting for alternate funding are the issues burdening the intel community, which should be disbanded and reformed under people of unquestionable integrity and loyalty to this country. We have such people in this country. Some may even be in the military. Some, certainly, are not. The goal is as important as the execution, because there are those who do have loyalty to this country, who will do what it takes to keep their brethren honest, if they know the people are behind them. Thank you for your thoughtful reading of the links. It's critical that those who care about this country's future do the research even into issues that are difficult to deal with.

To: Neocon who wrote (11266)	2/18/2002 6:12:43 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

One word: Accountability "...these (intelligence agency) people have the capability of perpetrating major heists, counterfeiting, performing industrial espionage, and other such things if they have to look for alternative funding. If you assume that there is a sophisticated black ops underworld, there is no stopping them..." How to accomplish that: Fire people, recall Congressmen, impeach administration officials, get rid of the parasites. If all dollars are accounted for in government expenditures, and we stop seeing a few billion here, a trillion there, missing, we start to clean a bit of that up. Next, the same mechanisms used to detect Al Queda terrorist funds will alert banks for funds not being used in legitamate business transactions. These are disclosures being made today. The analysis is, however, under the control of the intel "fox" in the henhouse, rather than the taxpayer/citizen "farmer" who does the work, pays the price and takes the damage. Nothing's perfect. But, do you know where you money goes? Sure you do, for the most part. And what you know doesn't go for terrorism does it? With a couple exceptions: - Oil - 10% of which goes to Saudi Arabia and thence to various anti-American causes - Fed. Taxes - 15% of which goes to military and intel ops You and I deserve accountability of those mysterious dollars. We're now in the computer age, when even legacy systems can present budgets in realtime to everyone on the web.