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To: Lane3 who wrote (2526)	2/19/2002 4:03:24 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

Dialogue..... Is good, no....?? Enlarges the mind, yes....??? I think you both make good points... JLA

To: Lane3 who wrote (2526)	2/19/2002 4:43:51 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

I did not bring up anything with a purely personal cost. They all involve either breaking the peace (vandalism, destruction of property) or using the engines of government. Nor was my point concerning frivolity merely, but moral grandstanding over trivial things. In fact, I suggested that the paint- thrower might better spend his time in normal recreational activities. Liberals initiate "Heather", knowing that there will be a negative reaction. If they want to go to the barricades, why not over something better? They put Heather on the agenda, and therefore are responsible for it becoming an issue. The cost of police was not my only objection to the Skokie matter. Everyone has to perform a kind of triage in the allocation of resources. Choosing to support the Nazis in the Skokie matter was not dictated, but a matter of discretion. In order to prove to the world the purity of their organization (see, we even did this!), they put Holocaust survivors through a terrible experience. You are concerned about torturing minks, I am concerned about torturing old people who have already been through enough. It didn't seem to me that you were merely suggesting tweaks, but whatever. Take my comments for what they're worth and do with them as you please. I thought that is what I was doing......

To: Lane3 who wrote (2526)	2/19/2002 5:23:37 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 7720

Regarding personal expenditures, for example, you made a big point of saying that people who put life energy into intimidating socialites with fur coats are indulging a frivolous interest. Fine, as far as it goes. What you don't mention is that the socialite is enabling the torture of small mammals to get her fur coat, which is at least as frivolous given that there are many other ways for her to keep warm. As long as neither creates a public cost, they're both entitled to be as frivolous as they want. If people in PETA or people with similar ideas are merely protesting the wearing of fur then that is one thing but if they are intimidating people and spraying red paint on them then they are creating a public cost. Tim