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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1094)	2/19/2002 9:29:23 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 2926

" The Quran teaches that Muslims are superior to others: "Ye (Muslims) are the best of peoples evolved for mankind . . ." Surah 3:110. "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every strategem (of war) . . ." Surah 9:5 (also 2:193). " For those who resist Islam – execution or mutilation is decreed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land . . ." Surah 5:36. Message 16998462 The Hadith, which is a record of the words and deeds of Muhammad, is also viewed by Muslims as inspired. Next to the Quran, it is the most important source of Islamic Law. It's teachings are regarded as binding on all Muslims. " The Hadith teaches that apostasy is punishable by death: "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57. " A Muslim may not be punished for killing a non-Muslim: "No Muslim should be killed for killing a kafir (infidel)." Vol 9:50 It may be hard for Christians to understand the concept of such a militant religion, but the primary aim of Islam is not spiritual but political. The ultimate purpose of Islam is the establishment by force of a worldwide Islamic state where Sharia law is enforced on all. About Jihad.... JIHAD – ISLAMIC HOLY WAR The relentless and often vicious persecution by Muslims against Christians is seldom recognised or understood. Many assume that the concept of Jihad, or holy war, espoused by Muslim leaders like the Aytollah Khomeini and demonstrated in terror bombings are aberrations not truly representative of Islam: siliconinvestor.com.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (1094)	2/19/2002 10:31:01 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

Thomas, You said, " I was under the impression that the whole "kill all infidels" thing referred to non-Muslims who seek to harm Muslims, not to any non-Muslim." I have posted the sources many times before from the Quran, on this and the Islam, The Message threads. Here is an example from the Quran you are looking for.... [at-Taubah 9:4] Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him). [at-Taubah 9:5] Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. We support Israel, so they have the right to invoke 9:5, even in America. Look at 9:4, specifically "...nor have supported anyone against you". They think they can attack us solely on the basis of our support ot someone against them.... You must realize that the impression you have that the violent Islamic scripture only applies to non-Muslims that seek to harm Muslims is a canned excuse we hear. Upon further examination we realize that is not true. Here is more examples of offensive war to spread Islam to disprove the premise violence due to self defense: atheism.about.com Please realize Muhammad is the lead example of Islam, as evidenced by this pillar of Islam, one of the 5 fundamental tenants of Islam. This is the first pillar of Islam. "There is none worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is the messenger of God." If Muhammad had been involved in offensive violence, and he is the true messenger of God, did he also interpret the scriptures wrong when he acted offensively? Or do the scriptures actually teach offensive violence is OK, as evidenced by Muhammads example? Also remember, Muhammads supposed revelations from the angel Gabriel is the basis of the Quran. So I am sure he knew exactly what they said, and their meaning, and acted accordingly. Let me know if you would like any more sources. I have many more! God Bless, IGIT