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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Zoltan! who wrote (228728)	2/19/2002 10:51:50 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 769670

"people do blame Clinton" That's pretty amusing. Are these the same folks that talk about issues being "on Clinton's watch", but avoid the comparison with the Bush "watch" for the following: Recession War Stock Market plunge Largest Business Scandals Largest Terrorism event ... and as John Stewart said, "and that's just his first year!" That's a little humor there, but the point is - scapegoating can go too far and be completely umproductive, particularly when unwilling to talk about a single, specific detail in enough length to get any real clarity. To blame an ex-president for a wide generality seems to be a sport among those who can't figure how to connect the dots to responsibility of the current administration. I mean, it's pretty clear Reagan created $4 trillion in debt. Whether that expenditure caused the fall of the Soviet Union is worthy of debate. Saying Clinton "gutted" the military is another debate - this was supposed to be the Peace Dividend, and we got it, and still had the horsepower to quickly subdue Afghanistan on a moment's notice. Whether other expenditures weren't done and needed to be is worthy of debate. Saying 8 years of increasing prosperity and paying down the debt is ... well, I guess that's to someone's credit. You would think the sitting pres would have something to do with that, but I've hear that was either Reagan, Bush, or an accident, all of which are debatable. and so on... Not to contribute to the notion that somehow Clinton is important anymore, but his popularity in the proverbial "recent poll" is as ridiculous as the current: Q:Who's the Greatest President? Lincoln 20% Kennedy 14% Bush 13% Clinton 8% The funny part is Clinton had 9% last year. Bush's gains came at the expense of Reagan, mostly... Wonder who those people are? abcnews.go.com

To: Zoltan! who wrote (228728)	2/19/2002 11:51:07 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

!natloZ, I think you think backwards. MSI is far more patient with you than you deserve. Once you get past a fifth grade understanding of realpolitik, please rejoin the discussion. Until then, I have a friendly bit of advice. (Pssst, you are only embarrassing yourself in front of the rest of us.) Citizenship requires and demands of participants to be actively engaged, logical and informed. When I read your words, I am reminded of why the Founding Fathers were so mortified and afraid of popular democratic rule and the "tyranny of the mob". There is engagement alright, but there is no logic or information coming from your end of the wire. In a few years, when you've figured out what I just said, we can carry on an adult discussion. You've got a lot of work ahead of you, and I would encourage you to get started. All the best, Ray