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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Selectric II who wrote (228778)	2/20/2002 1:30:58 AM
From: bonnuss_in_austin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

This just in - LMAO - Cheney on the Tonight Show with ... ... Jay Leno. CHRIST: what a SPOOK! Anybody catch it? Leno did WELL. Asked all the 'right questions.' Softballed, of course, but nevertheless. He clearly stated that he met with Ken Lay 'ONCE.' Awwww, now, Dickie ... cancha do better than THAT? Yer handlers ain't gonna like that much: Cheney, Aides Met With Enron 6 Times in 2001 Counsel: Energy Policy Was Topic By Mike Allen Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, January 9, 2002; Page A03 The White House told Congress in a letter released yesterday that Vice President Cheney or his aides met six times with Enron Corp. representatives last year, including a session two months before the energy trading company made the largest corporate bankruptcy filing in American history. The meetings continued after President Bush released the energy policy that Cheney's staff had developed, according to the letter. Five of the meetings were with Cheney aides, and one was with the vice president. One of the staff meetings occurred six days before Enron announced actions that reduced its shareholder equity by $1.2 billion. Cheney met for half an hour on April 17 with Kenneth L. Lay, Enron's chairman, according to a Jan. 3 letter by David S. Addington, the vice president's counsel. The letter was written in response to a Dec. 4 request by Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), ranking minority member of the House Committee on Government Reform, who released the correspondence. Addington wrote that Cheney and Lay "discussed energy policy matters, including the energy crisis in California, and did not discuss information concerning the financial position of the Enron Corporation." Cheney's office has resisted inquiries into the operations of his energy policy task force by the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, and by Senate Democrats who are hoping to measure Enron's influence on policy. The Houston-based company has longtime personal and financial ties to Bush. Waxman said the letter "shows that the access provided to Enron far exceeded the access provided by the White House to other parties interested in energy policy." Bush released his energy plan on May 17, and Enron filed for bankruptcy protection on Dec. 2. Addington's letter said Cheney's National Energy Policy Development Group existed from Jan. 29 through Sept. 30, 2001. Addington said the group's staff met with Enron representatives on Feb. 22 and March 7. On April 9, the staff met with about two dozen representatives of various utilities, including one from Enron. Cheney aides met with officials of a German subsidiary of Enron on Aug. 7 and with Enron representatives on Oct. 10. Enron announced huge losses on Oct. 16. "Enron did not communicate information about its financial position in any of the meetings with the Vice President or with the National Energy Policy Development Group's support staff," Addington wrote. He noted that Cheney and Lay served on a panel at the American Enterprise Institute World Forum on June 24. "The panel was widely attended and addressed energy matters," the counsel wrote. "There was no discussion of information concerning the financial position of Enron Corporation." A White House official said the meetings reflected the "open and inclusive" approach of Cheney's energy task force. Bush told reporters on Dec. 28 that he is "deeply concerned about the citizens of Houston who worked for Enron who lost life savings" when its stock value collapsed. He said he supports moves by Congress and the Securities and Exchange Commission to look into that issue. "I have had no contact with Enron officials in the last six weeks," Bush said. © 2002 The Washington Post Company

To: Selectric II who wrote (228778)	2/20/2002 1:34:11 AM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

That's the kind of argument that gets circular. Due to the irresponsible lack of including what is called "latency" What is the lead/lag time for each event? If you answer that, you can then be accountable for the lag and lead time of each administration before and after... Recession ... how long? Do you blame Reagan for Bush I recession? War... who do you blame for this war, Clinton? What about Bush's failure in Iraq that is under reconsideration -- what about deals since Nixon that have handed the Saudis hundreds of billions with which to pay for terrorism, CIA ops to train them, etc... Where does that fit? Can we safely ignore that? Business scandals -- Bush businesses worldwide with terrorist-loving Arabs is well-known. The scandals with Clinton are hard-pressed to come up with anything other than whitewater, rather anemic, and don't contribute to terrorism then, or now, that we've heard of. As far as budget "supervision", that requires leadership from the top. Rather than panic and total acquiesence to every outstretched hand in spite of a trillion in "lost" DOD dollars - which is what we have now. and so forth all worthy of informed discussion or artfully contrived excuses of who is "on watch" I guess we can defer these conclusions until 2004 or 2008 to see what the effect of these policies are. But what fun would that be ...