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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (159423)	2/20/2002 12:43:20 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

"The .13u Madison will probably turn out to be about 300mm^2." Are you sure of this? After all, it is going to double the amount of L2 cache and the caches pretty much dominate the die...

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (159423)	2/20/2002 1:20:08 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: The .13u Madison will probably turn out to be about 300mm^2. We were talking about a dual core die, not a single core die.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (159423)	2/20/2002 2:13:42 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

According to Paul DeMone, McKinley turns out to be 420mm^2. The .13u Madison will probably turn out to be about 300mm^2. We know that Intel can mass produce 217mm^2 Pentium 4 CPUs for under $100. I imagine Madison will probably cost <$200, including the packaging, etc. Not that it matters, though, since Intel will be charging 10-20x that amount, and people will pay for it. I'm not making any predictions here but doubling the die size will result in way less than half the yield. EP

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (159423)	2/20/2002 3:40:29 PM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

bmw re: The .13u Madison will probably turn out to be about 300mm^2. We know that Intel can mass produce 217mm^2 Pentium 4 CPUs for under $100. I imagine Madison will probably cost <$200, including the packaging, etc. Not that it matters, though, since Intel will be charging 10-20x that amount, and people will pay for it. 1) fixed costs which are far higher for Itanium than p4 2) p4's fixed costs are written off over more chips (many many many more chips) 3) different process 4) as Elmer pointed out the probability of defects are higher with larger area even with the same process re: And I know it drives the AMDroids green with envy. so far amdroids feel nothing but fondness for Itanium (and follow ups) similar to the fondness that was developed for intel's rambus idea. That sounds sarcastic but it is true :-) re: The only difference is that Intel will still provide CPUs that go into servers as low as $500 I assume that you are not talking about Itanium here or even xeons. Let's not combine pII sales with Itanium here. Regards -Albert