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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: epicure who wrote (11061)2/21/2002 9:46:12 AM
From: James Calladine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 28931
 
COMPETITIVENESS:

Here's something by Adi Da on that general subject, and related issues:

In the present (globally expanded) state of civilization, the principal sign of civilization itself is that it has, in the largest number of its sectors, effectively destroyed (or, at least, profoundly minimized) the root-motives, root-practices, and root-virtues of human life in its humanizing (or cooperative, human-scale community) mode-and, indeed, the principal sign of present-time civilization is, in general, that of the absence of cooperative, human-scale (and truly humanizing) community itself.

The motive and practice of competitive individualism is itself the very motive and practice (or method) of egoity itself (or the separate and separative effort of existence). Therefore, civilization, in its present global achievement, is profoundly dissociated from its roots in the relational (or non-separative) virtues and practices inherent in cooperative, human-scale community-and it has (thus) "progressed" from its foundation in the cooperative, human-scale community politic, society, and culture (of cooperation, non-competitiveness, tolerance, positive harmlessness, self-transcendence, and sacred endeavor) to an "advanced" state wherein individual life (and, also, lesser collective life) is devoted to ego-based and ego-serving competitiveness within a thoroughly secularized and materialistic milieu of ends and means.

An ego-based civilization, like any ego-based individual, is suffering, seeking, and indulging in every kind of separate and separative effort toward mere survival and conditional satisfaction. Therefore, just as any individual who has become sunk in the patterns and results of egoity must become reformed (or released from the patterns and results of egoity, and, Ultimately, Most Perfectly Awakened To and In and As the Self-Evidently Divine Truth That Is Reality Itself)-just so, any civilization that has become sunk in the patterns and results of egoity must become likewise reformed (and, Ultimately, likewise Most Perfectly Awakened). And the struggle by individuals and groups to practically re-establish human-scale, cooperative, and truly sacred community living is the necessary and principal revolution (or inherently benign and counter-egoic political, social, and cultural effort) whereby all human beings (even those under the most ordinary and limited circumstances) can, at the practical (political, social, and cultural) human level, purify themselves (and, more and more, even civilization itself) from the negative effects (including, ultimately, the loss of individual and collective integrity) that come (and have now come) with the expansion and universalization of civilization.

Of course, some have, in the present context of civilization, already tried to revolutionize their "civilized" lives by engaging efforts toward human-scale community. Those efforts or experiments have met with varying degrees of practical and human success to date. However, far more is required to achieve cooperative, human-scale, and truly humanizing community than present and past experimenters generally suppose or have supposed. For example, in the present ego-bound context of global civilization, there is a general tendency for community experimenters to try to create community on the basis of the same egoic principles that otherwise characterize the present civilization itself. Thus, present-time community experimenters generally try to create community on the (supposedly egalitarian) basis of the motives of competitive individualism (or egoity itself), even though they also want to establish cooperative principles and cooperative structures. As a result, experimental community efforts often are degraded and defeated by competitiveness, the tendency to pander to egoic preferences and egoic dramatizations (often in the name of egalitarian idealism), and a characteristic fear of (or a rather adolescent rebellion against) authority, hierarchy, and the hierarchical culture of respect (which are necessary to any truly human and cooperative community order).>>>

The Spiritual Community of which I am a part is a functioning cooperative community.

Namaste!

Jim



To: epicure who wrote (11061)2/21/2002 12:40:51 PM
From: Frederick Smart  Respond to of 28931
 
It's A Mankind Thing....

>>:-)
I don't know if it is a guy thing. I can be extremely competitive myself. I just don't like the mindset when the competition is directed outwards. But maybe that only comes (sometimes) with maturity. I know that children seem totally unable to comprehend competing against their prior level of accomplishments as opposed competing against each other. I find that children constantly measure themselves against each other. Maybe it is an adaptive thing- to insure we get some sort of standardization of knowledge in a human group. I notice that children will even respond to a positive comment about a another child as a potential put down to themselves. I am very careful with compliments, because I KNOW this happens, and I try to whisper them to children, one by one. But my goodness, they are competitive about making sure they are "approved".

It may be natural, but there are many things in nature I don't like. I am sorry the whole schema is built upon consuming other life forms, for example. I guess the autotrophs are least "guilty".>>

All Mankind creates is the illusion of these conditional matrix of limits, boundaries, labels and definitions that attempt to claim, restrict and control the energy, light and Love from our ONE Lord God in Heaven.

Sure, we can get into knee-jerking ourselves into hestitating on this and that thought based on our perception of how this inversion process backfires. But this isn't living. And we end up actually playing into, feeding and supporting the conditional matrix even more. And this is all unwittingly done for the spiritual sleight of hand deception that's been pulled by these spirits is incredibly crafty for it doesn't want to be exposed for the simple core LIE behind the entire matrix which is always this notion of "heads I win, tails you lose" for we are all in this for ourselves to complete, take, define, label, restrict and compare ourselves against each other.

This is TOTAL and COMPLETE and UTTER INSANITY!!!

And when I state this I am in no way judging THE INDIVIDUAL for the individal here is being unwittingly compelled and fooled by forces that are larger that he/she is. But, still, each individual is free to make his/her choice of what they will to love based on what they know and understand as being true.

Now you could turn around and say the same thing about the good forces and spirits of the Lord's light, energy and Love, but here's the difference. Even if we do not understand completely and totally how these forces - good or bad - compell and influence us it is always the individual who is free to chose between good and evil. But the evil may appear to be "good" and the other side may say the same thing about the other side.

This is the antithetical nature that splits the two worlds/realms apart from each other - ie. Heaven and Hell. The twain should be not mixed, but there is mixing and it's hard for us to even begin to "see" much less draw straight lines between the two. For this isn't our power to possess. This is the Lord's power and His alone. If we try to claim it from a judgment perspective we are digging new pits in hell which we fall deeper into and, unwittingly, others may fall in behind us, etc.

The nature of pure evil is simply the opposition to freedom, love and risk. For those who are disconnected from the light, energy and Love of our Father in Heaven naturally seek to replace this void with energy, light and love they can conditionalize, label, restrict, get and control from others. Thus, every movement, ever finger lifted takes on the appearance of costing the person something, somewhere in someway. And this is really the life of slavery for we aren't spiritual free in this state. We are roped, bound and conditionalized to the LIE which is based on the belief that the illusions that mankind makes up regarding limits, rules, labels and definitions really exist when they really DO NOT for they are all just mere smoke and fire inside the Castle.

>> I find that children constantly measure themselves against each other. Maybe it is an adaptive thing- to insure we get some sort of standardization of knowledge in a human group.>>

Children pick this up directly from their environment which is by simply watching and mimicking what others appear to know and believe as the truth, etc. This is how these spiritually disfunctional matrixes get passed down and supported from generation to generation.

By God I picked up pieces of this from my father and mother and from those around me when I was growing up. But I always had this notion in the background that something was fundamentally out of whack. The biggest tip-off would come when I'd spend summers in high school working for my grandfather along route 89 south of Clyde Park in Montana. There, the birds, bees, flowers, trees and mountains and cattle and horses and all the wonders of nature became a conjunctive natural training ground of exposure to these timeless spiritual truths. And no Bible, ritual, doctrine or rah rah support from anyone and anything was required.

When our souls are exposed to these timeless energies in nature there's a natural way that the affinity and bonding between what we thought we knew as being true and truth itself have to resolve somehow.

So after each summer I'd come back home to this artificial world of suburbia, TV, media this and that and get right into double sessions for football. I'd almost comatically lose myself in the game and my studies until the next summer of natural bonding with the truth of my soul and spirit would resume along route 89 between the Crazy Mountains on the east and the Bridgers on the West and the Absarokees to the south.

And when I left home for college here at Northwestern I never came back or looked back. This upset the standard metrics of conditional control that most families seek to pass down and maintain. With me I simply had to cut this cord and I really didn't understand all the reasons why. But once the connection with my parents resumed after a period of distance and separation the true openness and bonding and love that was shared from that point forward was pure as the driven snow and which we all were so thankful to share and celebrate throughout the year.

Sorry for this personal excursion into my life and background, but these things are important to all of us. We are ALL in this never ending process "of becoming" and we are ALL being compelled by one or the other forces - be they good or evil - but it's all based on what we will to love which is in synch with what we come to understand as being true.

So the judgment, claim, blame and shame really serves no purpose whatsoever when we see each other in the pure light of this New Day which connects us all together in ways that manifest and spread more of His uncondiitonal love into this world.

It's all simply ENERGY!! And there is NO LIMIT to the amount of this energy, light and Love which we can freely and unconditionally receive and share and celebrate with others.

And NO numbers!!

Except...

119293!!



To: epicure who wrote (11061)2/21/2002 8:09:56 PM
From: Andy Thomas  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
--I am sorry the whole schema is built upon consuming other life forms, for example--

yeah... everything we eat - it was all alive once. and plants have feelings too...

that's a trip