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To: Neocon who wrote (2707)	2/21/2002 5:56:39 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

I think the best test of this issue, Neo, is to imagine ourselves emigrating to another nation. Whether it was to Australia, Japan, Saudi Arabia, or wherever ... I can't believe there is a one of us here who would even think for a moment of protesting against any of the cultural practices we saw in our new homeland. Much to the contrary, we would bend over backwards to show respect for these practices and representations, however much we might be offended or even repelled by them. If our children were to be enrolled in their schools, we would surely insist that they show deference and respect for the customs of the host people. If we were granted the right to perpetuate our own beliefs and customs in the privacy of our own homes, or perhaps in churches of our own denomination, we would feel gratitude for being afforded this liberty. We would feel obligated as new citizens to adapt in every way possible to the customs of our new homeland. The last thing we would ever dream of doing would be to start complaining that we are being "marginalized" because we have to witness Australians, Japanese, or Saudis practicing the customs and rituals of their own society, in their own homeland. If we saw other former Americans doing this, we would quickly label them "Ugly Americans" and rebuke them for their audacity, insensitivity, and impoliteness.

To: Neocon who wrote (2707)	2/21/2002 6:50:19 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

If Christians imply you cannot be a good citizen without being Christian, there is something to object to. If they are just going about their business, there is not. If Christians imply you cannot be a co-equal citizen without being Christian, there is something to object to. If they are just going about their business, there is not.

To: Neocon who wrote (2707)	2/21/2002 8:09:31 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

you do not manufacture cultural authority on the spot We're talking about little kids here. You and I could make up something and, if the teachers and parents treated it with reverence, the kids would accept it as sufficiently authoritative. Or we could call it the Big Bird list or the tooth fairy list. By the time they were old enough to figure out we made it up, they'd have the list down pat and would know not to cheat or hit. As they get old enough to know the authority is not absolute and universal, they're more interested in what their peers say than what some old book has to say, anyway. Way cool teens would probably write graffiti on your collage. It's the little ones, the ones who can't grasp the concepts of adultery and coveting anyway, that we want. If you insist on something with tradition, crib from the Boy Scouts. At least it's age appropriate. I know how much you care about age appropriateness. <g> Karen