To: Freedom Fighter who wrote (13995 ) 2/22/2002 12:37:45 PM From: Bob Rudd Respond to of 78704 Wayne: <<didn't have a full grasp of the situation.>>I just started looking at it and I just can't get a feel for how likely it is to completely slide down the tubes. Merrill has it a neutral with a low confidence [no confidence] estimate of 02 .80; 03 1.00 they just brought down. The AM Best downgrades affect their prospects going forward and there are debt covenents to be renegotiated. My interest is peaked since being kicked out of an Index often drives stuff way below fair value. I'm willing to bet on these situations, but only if I have at least some sort of feel for the business. I can't even come to that with this. The insurance business is so squishy, with estimates all over the place for losses, reserves and so forth, unless you really trust management, it's like trying to nail jello to the wall to figure what it's worth...especially with a lot of credit uncertainty and a weak balance sheet. <<I'm not sure about everyone else's experience, but it's getting more obvious to me every day that it is difficult for me to actually evaluate how much I know about a company.>> I hear you, man...and I feel your pain, literally. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Awhile back I ran across an interview with Marc Perkins that used to do the Barrons Round Tables on how tough it is know what's going on [He bought Gunther from Harold Geneen, supposedly a management icon]: <<Marc Perkins: The most important thing I've learned here as CEO of Gunther International (SORT:Nasdaq - news) is that anybody who thinks you can figure out to any reasonable degree what's going on inside a company from the outside is crazy. I mean, it's a useless exercise.>> The inverview is a great read from a money manager that transitioned to CEO and it'll make you feel a bit better about the ugly surprises that seem to crop up after careful analysis: thestreet.com