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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1131)	2/22/2002 1:53:16 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

Thomas, You said, "I'm not an expert, but I would say no." to the question, "were the Muslims justified in their acts of 9/11, according to their scripture, and in your opinion?" How can you say no, (and we do not have to be experts to understand this) you do not think their acts are justified when you have said the following statements: "I'm not a big fan of violence in a religion, but on an ethical level, that makes perfect sense. If someone wages wear on you, or provides support for someone who wages war on you, one should fight back." Message 17093195 You also said in the same post, "Good example. Israel has been aggressively persecuting Muslims, and the U.S. has provided massive (crucial) support. You correctly identify America as an enemy of the Muslims in that area. Now read their scripture again: [at-Taubah 9:4] Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him). [at-Taubah 9:5] Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. You said above I correctly identified America as an enemy to the Muslims, based upon our support for Israel. That satisfies verse 9:4. Then to the Muslims, they have the right to invoke 9:5, which is a characterization of what they did on 9/11. So how could you say no, the Muslims were not justified in their acts? America met the criteria in their scriptures, to be slain. Do you see that? So what do you base your opinion, expert or not, to say 9/11 was not justified? It is definitely justified in there scriptures. Tell me how its not! (I personally do not believe in their scriptures, and strongly recommend others not believing in them! The actions of 9/11 were horrendous and should be paid for justly!) Prove to me their scripture does not justify the acts of 9/11. This is again asking you for the scriptural anwser to the above question, and justifying your response of "no" You also said yourself we are enemies to the Muslims, and you said if someone provides support for someone who wages war on you (in your opinion, Israel has aggressively persecuting Muslims), one should fight back. So how do you support your answer of "no", it is not justified, when you have said what you have said, that they have the right to defend themselves and fight back? This is asking you the same question above again, but the opinion part. It seems very inconsistent, your answer to what you have said previously. And you are quick to give answers, and not explain them, the person who is complaining about 3rd party sources, and bragging about how easy it is to take apart these smearing attempts. Message 17093210 I hope you can see that. Please, I am eager to see how you take apart the above, with ease! God Bless, IGIT PS - No third party sources in this post, except the Quran!