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To: goldsnow who wrote (11791)	2/22/2002 8:32:47 PM
From: chalu2	Respond to of 23908

Is it possible to be an Arab but not Muslem? In almost all Arab-dominated countries, this is possible, but guarantees persecution. In Saudi Arabia, any Arab who is not Muslim must fear for his life or safety.

To: goldsnow who wrote (11791)	2/22/2002 9:26:08 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

<<< The Dhimmi concept is not about full citizenship this is granted.. However, in its historical context it was a revolutionary forward way of thinking.. At a time within Europe was engaged in religious wars and persecutions, the Arab Islamic civilization had the dhimmi concept for dealing with non-Moslems, it even provided a haven for Jews fleeing the Catholic oppression in the 15th century…. It includes: - Freedom of religious practices. Exemplified by the Covenant between Omar and the Christians of Jerusalem. - Payment of Jizzieh. (big note, while the Christians paid Al Jezzieh, the Moslems paid al Zakat). More or less that same taxes with different names. - A proven Hadeeth of the Profit, Man Atha Themian faqad Athani.. He who hurts, a Christian or a Jew, would also hurt me…. - The Quranic verse “La Ikraha fi addin”… there is no compulsion in religion… - Allowance to enter the Army, as Christian Arabs fought alongside Moslems under Salah Eddin to restore the Orthodox Church of Jerusalem, which was driven out by the Crusades.. The first crusade killed 70,000 Arab Christians in Jerusalem because they were “Orthodox Heretics”. While not all Moslem leaders had this implemented (which gave way to the oppression of the Christians under the non-Arab Ottomans), it must be noted that such framework for coexistence, in the historical context, far exceeded in its tolerance, any other system in the world at that time, including all of Europe.. Certainly, Judaism also doesn’t rise to such a tolerant level… The natural extension of Dhimmi concept in modern times, is full and equal citizenship… this is a given and is advocated by most mainstream Islamists… this derives from Ijtihad and is very Islamic… What we have is a convergence: An inalienable right of the Christians to be full citizens in their homeland, and an Islamic thought, the religion of the majority, that accepts and supports this right.. >>> groups.google.com Tom

To: goldsnow who wrote (11791)	2/23/2002 1:12:19 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 23908

On another note, is it as bad to pretend to be a Jew as it is to murder 43 Arabs? <<< Repeatedly, Arabs have been condemned by the Israeli courts for pretending to be Jews. In 1977, an inhabitant of Kafr Kasem was sentenced to a year in prison "for pretending to be a Jew in order to marry a Jewish woman." >>> (from Fateful Triangle) Speaking of Kafr Kasem, Israeli Border Guards slaughtered 47 Arabs there in 1956. google.com This was recognized to be a crime by the Israeli Court. The officer found guilty of giving the order was given a fine of 10¢. The longest sentence given out in that case was to Gabriel Dahan, who was convicted of killing 43 Arabs in one hour. Meir Pail is quoted as saying that "only a pathological hatred of Arabs" made the massacre possible. Dahan served just over one year, and then was promptly given a position as an officer for Arab affairs at Ramle. Tom