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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (19628)	2/22/2002 6:33:54 PM
From: Climber	Respond to of 281500

At first I thought this was from "SatireWire," but no, it's actually from the LA Times. latimes.com 'Reality' TV Eagerly Marches Off to War February 22, 2002 Media: Shows are getting precious access to battle fronts. Producers reject warnings that they'll be tools of the Pentagon. By ELIZABETH JENSEN, TIMES STAFF WRITER NEW YORK -- Call it "When Reality TV Goes Patriotic." Desperate to attract viewers to what is fast becoming a struggling genre, networks and producers of so-called reality television have seized on a new concept: heartwarming stories from the front lines of the war on terrorism. But the Pentagon's decision to allow coveted war access to entertainment producers in order to promote its war effort is raising eyebrows among observers who worry the shows will be propaganda. On one project, the Pentagon is actively involved with developing story lines.... <snip> I just hope they don't run it opposite "Scrubs." Climber@andnowawordfromoursponsor.mil

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (19628)	2/22/2002 8:23:33 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

some really wickedly stupid foreign policy decisions I suspect that a lot of the ones you would list from above are ones that a lot of people here agree with, and visa-versa. When I read your posts, I keep hearing echoes of this kind of writing from the left 50 years ago. However, somewhere behind the scenes, wise masters were deciding how we would really lead our lives. Ultimate decisions were being made quietly in boardrooms and council chambers unfamiliar to us magazine readers. We were being told only what we wanted to hear. The popular media kept on assuring us that progress was our birthright while a great contradiction was becoming apparent. Despite what we were led to believe, in fact, great amounts of money were being spent, not on schools and public health, but on our military forces and on selfish business endeavors, to support dictatorships, to keep the slaves in line, to assure that our ultimate values were preserved. Sound familiar, Ray?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (19628)	2/23/2002 5:10:10 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

3,000 is an average month in Iraq... on average 10,000 Americans die every day. My point, so very difficult for y'all on the Right to get through your profound sense of self-entitlement and hubris, is that we're just suffering "blowback" for some really wickedly stupid foreign policy decisions in the last few decades. What in the world is so hard to understand about that? Ray, if you shorten that time period for "some really wickedly stupid foreign policy decisions" to 8 years, i understand your point perfectly. profound hubris and self-entitlement are the wrong words...very wrong words...to describe me. are you sure you aren't looking in a left-handed mirror? unclewest