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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (19716)2/24/2002 12:56:21 AM
From: SirRealist  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
>>We are being enslaved with a national debt to pay for a protection racket for profiteers. This is nuts. <<

I've long understood that the best personal investment choice I can make is to pay off all bills bearing interest.
And for all my distaste of Clinton, a principal thing he got accomplished was the first concentrated effort that succeeded in reducing the national debt... even if some of the budget particulars were not the best available. It is still a notable achievement that reflects an occasional bout of sanity from the top.

But my intent is not partisan. The Oxy subsidies are a more egregious example of an unofficial but certain policy of corporate welfare that has probably benefitted oil more than any other. I don't submit to the either/or school of thought that this or any war is either about oil, or it's not. The fact is, once any war begins, it paves the way for political machinations that have little to do with the war effort.

Drilling Alaska, and every inch of coastline, will be among the initiatives advanced before the current spate of conflicts is over. However, I just don't believe many of the politicians are that far from what is wanted by the people who elect them.

As a nation, we individuals choose to consume 'just a wee bit' above the global median. We get discomfited when we look at some of the hidden costs of buck-anna-quarter breakfasts for our pet SUVs. So it's easier to blame the politicians, just like the Egyptians and Saudis shift the blame to Israel and Israel to the Palestinians and ya gotta know the Micks, Polacks, Wops, Wetbacks, Chinks, Gooks, Feminazis, Liberals, Jingoists, Jiggerboos, Commies, Lawyers, Lesbos, Fascist LandRapers, and Slacker Dipwads are behind this somehow someway.

Passing The Buck is the globe's #1 sport and only Selling It All For A Buck vies for equal standing in the truly Olympian arena.

We are paying protection for profiteers because we want something protected. It isn't all noble stuff like democracy and liberty, it's about a way of life that we can trim down some fat on, but hey, a bus is a bus, man, and we like our cars.

We also have some redeeming Virtues. The myth promoted by Other Land media is that we lack introspection. In fact, because of our civilly proscribed freedoms of thought, word, assembly and discourse, we debate the ethics of materialism and consumerism and Catholicism and Secularism, etc. constantly. We self criticize far more than our detractors criticize us. Our laws and history have an abundance of compassionate examples of the humaneness in our culture.

When our harping & carping & blaming & gaming get suspended, it's a voluntary thing, a national coalescing of resolve that warns the freshly threatening pack of hungry or angry wild humans to pursue less dangerous prey. We defend, with money, sweat and blood, and graft, our lives, ideals and our petty wants.

We work on our imperfections, which is a slow process because nations lumber along by virtue of their size. Bringing a conservation ethic into our culture is a healthy first step because it only pares fat, not proteins and carbs or even sweets.

We owe it to ourselves to tell the national parties that greater, even radical, conservation efforts are a non-partisan issue of national self-interest. It beats killing and ducking. It beats sending the paperboy to the frontlines to die. It beats supporting the corruption of the S&Ls and Enrons even when some days it's hard to discern if there really are standards in standard business practices.

I'm all in favor of hearing criticism where constructive solutions are added, even in wartime. Sustainable healthy markets can exist with low-fat consumerism. The only President who really made a modest stab at promoting that conservation effort was Carter, some 25 years ago. The others since have been utter failures. Designating wilderness areas and aiming to protect endangered species is insufficient. We consciously elect to endanger the human teenager especially, worldwide, when we neglect a much greater conservation ethic than exists today.

Our politicians will represent our will, when we establish the goal. Diligently. But part of our symbiotic ecosystem needs the gadfly pestering us to remind us of the need for fresh vaccinations against Type-A Complacency Viruses.

The same ecosystem has no need to submit to anyone, though, ever... except to our own common sense.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (19716)2/24/2002 5:35:31 AM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
a dangerously mis-guided policy of rampant militarism

i find it quite incredible that you think our military policy is misguided.

how the hell do you describe those who are killing our defenseless women, children and unarmed civilian men?

are you afraid to fight?

We may be the most insane participant in the arms game

a certain level of fear is appropriate here. it takes very special human beings to kill a shackled, non-combatant like Pearl with a knife. this form insures the perpetrator gets his victims blood on himself...if that is not cold-blooded enough...it takes yet another level to dismember his body at the time of death, then send movies for you, me, our kids, and his pregnant wife to watch.
that same mentality is required to fly airplanes full of defenseless civilians into office buildings full of more defenseless folks.

make no mistake about it...the groups we are facing intend to fulfill their promise to kill all Jews, kill all Christians and kill all Americans. these are not ordinary soldiers...they an have extraordinary lust for blood and are not afraid to die to fulfill it.

terrorists work to create high levels of fear...when the fear becomes feelings of panic and hopelessness and we lose the will to fight...they win.

this is not new...this is about religious fanaticism...we have witnessed religion based suicide pacts many times before. i cannot recall any that were based on money.

i can understand the difficulty in getting a handle on this.
Ray, many of the bloody acts of war do not usually make sense...at best they are very difficult to explain...it is considered by many learned men to be the lowest form of human behavior. yet those same scholars consider war within the realm of normal human behavior. humans are the bloodiest of all animals.

certainly money can be a factor...but to characterize our current acts of self defense as purely money driven denies any value to the lives of our American families and our way of life.

You probably see our bone-headed sucking up to Oxy as a jobs program for your buddies.

all of my buddies are retired warriors and/or entrepreneurs. my wife and i started and own three profitable businesses...which public teats and troughs do you and your friends feed on?

i notice you are ending your posts lately with little personal cuts and digs...is that a manifestation of your fear level?
uw



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (19716)2/24/2002 4:19:05 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
If you look at the real debt burdens of this country, the parlous state of the banking and financial markets, the interventions that the FRB is already taking in order to stave of an economic depression and add to the mix a dangerously mis-guided policy of rampant militarism,

Actually, you should pay more attention to the debt burdens of the world, not just the US. If you did, you'd understand that many nations are becoming so destabilized that they are contemplating default on their own national debt (held by western banks). And the result of the US permitting this destabilization to continue, both economic and political, is that our own economy will suffer.

The world has been in economic stagnation, and/or recession since 1998 when the Asian economic panic occurred (as well as LTCM). The US had been the only economy functioning at a decent growth level since then, the last functioning piston of the global economic engine, you might say.

Now we're faltering and the world is catching pneumonia as a result of the US catching cold. And if the major economies like Europe and Asia continue to contract, they could drag us down with them.

All of which creates fertile ground for extremist groups attempting to create a collapse of the western economic system in order to replace it with their own (in this case, Islamic Sharia).

This is why, much as I hate to admit it, I'm starting to pay more attention to what the global gold market is indicating. Gold prospers in times of global chaos and uncertainty. Since gold was the previous standard for monetary value, if it increases in value due to fear that the current global financial system is about to become unraveled, katie bar the door. The US dollar will decline heavily in value, and we may find ourselves being forced to purchase our imports with specie, and not Fiat $$$$$....

What the US is currently engaged in, imo, is an effort to stabilize the politico-economic order, by force, if necessary in order to perpetuate a system where developing nations feel they have choices other than bankruptcy (default).

While the US economy may have indebtedness, foreigners continue to hold that debt out of fear of holding debt or currency in their own countries (capital flight). But foreigners could be induced to exchange their US holdings for gold and silver, if they perceive the US is unable to calm the global political risk equation and reestablish a sense of order that encourages economic growth again.

Hawk