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To: goldsheet who wrote (82516)2/25/2002 1:01:07 AM
From: Graystone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116764
 
Doug's Original Plan
or
Gold Price Monitor (moderated by Doug BN)

It is a good thing that all he got was a blessing for his new thread which has helped turn it into a holy place, blogging allowed. Doug BN's plan called for everyone who couldn't see the relationship between soybeans and GATA memberships to be shipped to the Finland thread.
As someone who posts honest opinions, makes open calls and stands behind them, you are particularly offensive to the BN's of this world. Doug BN served up his own cajones as a sidedish long ago, I think that Bill Murphy guy ate them.

This post is a work of fiction, any resemblance to the brown nosing Thread Moron referenced in the post (Doug BN) and the madman waving the plastic gun is intentional.



To: goldsheet who wrote (82516)2/25/2002 9:44:46 AM
From: Joan Osland Graffius  Respond to of 116764
 
Bob, Re: metals.

What base metals do you think have bottomed? For example I have been looking at copper and PD. This company seems to be leveraged to the hilt and looking at history during a recession in my opinion it should be trading at half the current price.

Missed AAUK during the sell off in September which was in my opinion a good price. Am in the camp of a double dip recession and expect to get another shot at this one.

Where do you think platinum, palladium and rhodium are going? Have been waiting for IMPAY and AAPTY to correct. Am waiting for the auto industry to tell the world things are terrible. <g>

While I am asking you questions, do you have any idea what the fair value of NEM is given gold at $300 an oz? Have been looking at the new company and am having a hard time figuring out what Normandy is worth considering 80% of future production is hedged. Right now it looks to me like they paid a hefty price for Normandy. Wish I knew what Normandy properties they plan on selling and what they are worth. Things are rather murky at the moment.

Joan



To: goldsheet who wrote (82516)2/26/2002 7:00:14 AM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116764
 
Then Bob, while I agree, generally, with your points on copyright protections, shouldn't there always be "fair use"? Hasn't the goal of all writing & most creative works (through the entire history of mankind) been to place a starting point for further discourse? When a author creates a work of art,a television show, a book,a persuasive print article,or a piece of music, does he want it enjoyed alone, by a singular individual, or does he expect it to be shared & discussed?

Is a discussion on this G.P.M. thread really all that different from a living room where we meet for a party& discuss investment and other ideas(except I'm doing it naked & at times drunk)?When friends(?) meet, at a party, in a coffee shop, in a bar, they often hand someone else a magazine or news paper & say "read this & tell me what you think" or even recite a key quote - or even more. All the while there is often music playing in the background, music which can also add to the discussion or create a discussion of it's own...

Grateful Dead Lyricist Condemns New Copyright Law
Sun Feb 24, 1:55 PM ET
By Elinor Mills Abreu
story.news.yahoo.com

SAN JOSE, Calif. (Reuters) - The Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which
has been used to jail a Russian software programmer and stifle Web sites,
is threatening the free flow of information, civil libertarians say.

Their struggle, which will eventually determine the course of how people
view movies, read books and use other material over the Internet, has
attracted luminaries like Grateful Dead lyricist John Perry Barlow.

Barlow, a co-founder of the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier
Foundation, has been at the forefront of protecting individual freedoms
online as the Internet matured from the anarchistic electronic playground
of a decade ago to the pervasive, regulated marketplace it is today.

"Information does want to be free," he said at a security conference on
Friday. "That's how the human mind works."

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act, he said, would turn "what has become
a natural rainforest" into a desert.

Enacted in 1998, the law prohibits creating or distributing technology that
can be used to circumvent copyright protections.

Movie studios, record labels and software companies support the law,
arguing that tight restrictions are needed to stop people from using the
Internet to freely swap intellectual property they should be paying for.

But programmers, computer scientists and civil libertarians claim the law
gives copyright owners and software vendors carte blanche control over how
people use digital material at the expense of free speech and "fair use"
rights that people have in the real world.

Barlow and the defense lawyer for a Russian company accused of violating
the law debated its merits with two lawyers representing the interests of
copyright holders in a panel at the conference sponsored by Internet
security firm RSA Security Inc. .

ETHICS, NOT ECONOMICS

"It sucks," Barlow said when asked to summarize what he thinks of the law.
"It's unconstitutional."

Not only does the law curtail individual rights to free speech, he said,
but by limiting the exchange of ideas for the sake of corporate profits, it
is also culturally damaging.

"Society has certain rights, (like) the right to know that supersedes the
rights of content distributors," Barlow said.

Two lawyers disagreed.

"I believe in property rights," said Emery Simon, an attorney for the
Business Software Alliance, a lobbying group representing software vendors.

Intangibles like software and digital entertainment should have the same
protections as tangible property, he added.

"You produce a piece of software and it gets uploaded to the Internet" and
distributed widely, Simon said, painting a hypothetical picture. Software
programmers "should get paid for their work."

Jeffrey Osterman of New York law firm Weil Gotshal & Manges said the future
of entertainment e-commerce depends on the ability to control who can
access the material.

"If access control doesn't work, content providers won't put content up,"
he said. "In the future, you'll get access to all the content you want for
a flat fee, for a limited time."

Objecting, Barlow pointed out that the Grateful Dead, one of the most
popular bands in U.S. history, still managed to get rich from its
top-selling albums despite encouraging the taping of "bootleg" audiotapes
of the group's concerts.

"Part of what drives the market is ethics," not just economics, he said. "I
never saw anybody sell (Grateful Dead bootleg) tapes. You have to look at
the kind of damage we do in the future if we try to own speech."

LAW SEEN TRAMPLING EXISTING RIGHTS

Joseph Burton, an attorney at the San Francisco-based firm of Duane Morris,
argued that under current law, people are entitled to fewer rights over
digital content than they have over the same content in the physical world.

For example, he said, ElcomSoft Co. Ltd. of Moscow faces charges of
violating the law for selling a program that lets people using Adobe
Systems Inc.'s eBook Reader to copy and print digital books, transfer them
to other computers and have them read aloud by the computer, which are
"fair use" protections under the law.

"I'm an e-book author and if someone wants to back up my e-book in case the
(computer) system crashes, that's not that bad," said panel moderator
Steven Levy, a technology columnist for Newsweek.

Simon countered that "fair use does not mean ... I can make a whole copy of
this thing," such as an electronic book.

The ElcomSoft program also allows unauthorized users to access copyright
content, Osterman noted.

"It may," Burton said. "A master key could be used by crooks. But the
master key maker shouldn't be put in jail. The crooks who are using it to
break into your house should be."

While ElcomSoft still faces trial, the U.S. government agreed to drop
charges against Dmitry Sklyarov, the 27-year-old ElcomSoft engineer who
wrote the program, in exchange for his testimony. Sklyarov and ElcomSoft
say they have done nothing illegal.

There have been other cases involving the law. The most prominent involves
a lawsuit filed by a group of movie studios against a Web site that had
posted and linked to sites that posted software used to descramble
antipiracy protections in digital video discs. A federal judge has ruled in
favor of the studios.



To: goldsheet who wrote (82516)2/28/2002 4:10:10 PM
From: Zardoz  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 116764
 
I think it's time now that the risk for Gold stocks going forward out weigh the gains. I suspect it's time for the XAU and TSE gold index to start a majour correction as well as gold. The majours are showing TA breakdown patterns.



To: goldsheet who wrote (82516)3/5/2002 12:25:45 PM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116764
 
PM me.



To: goldsheet who wrote (82516)3/9/2002 10:34:16 PM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116764
 
Catch this one?
BBC
Wednesday, 27 February, 2002, 17:19 GMT
South African gold output falls sharply


Gold production is down more than 8%

South African production of gold slipped by more than 8% in 2001, the Chamber of Mines of South Africa has reported.
Gold output slipped to 393,254 kilogrammes - its lowest level since 1953 - from 427,981 kg in 2000.
(cont)
news.bbc.co.uk