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To: Doc Bones who wrote (20014)	2/25/2002 9:18:22 PM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 281500

I've been active against the H1-B program, which is bringing in 200,000 foreign engineers and programmers. I can understand you POV. Thing is foreigners can also train USA folks. With our "social programs" we can get University degrees easier and provide a resource to USA business. One of the main reasons we get hired. If I was in the USA right now though, I would vote to keep the likes of me out too. -g- edit: The "indentured servant" is true btw. You can only work for the defined employer, until you get your Green Card, which with a little imagination, can be delayed quite a bit. Unfortunately your Green Card expires if you leave the country for 6mth or more :(

To: Doc Bones who wrote (20014)	2/25/2002 9:26:58 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I've been active against the H1-B program, which is bringing in 200,000 foreign engineers and programmers I understand your position. If no new ones come in, and we don't train enough new ones, it raises wages. My oldest son is making one hell of a good living because of the shortage. And I know it will help older Software engineers get jobs. But a lot of these jobs will just continue to go overseas if you don't let them in. It is so easy now, with the Internet, to set up centers in India and hire these people over there for $400 a month.

To: Doc Bones who wrote (20014)	2/26/2002 5:28:49 AM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>I'm not overly cheerful about the long-term prospects for the MiddleEast, with it's high internal population growth. There are endless supplies of angry young men, with no jobs or prospects, for a Saddam or Ayatollah to send off to war.<< >SNIP< >>The chief causes of high population growth rate: poverty, and the denigration/subservience of women, both of which the Arab world is "rich" in.<< >SNIP< Shhhh! Bush is in charge. It's a sin to talk about population growth as if it should be controlled. You might make someone want to use contraceptives, which is against a book written by men dead for centuries, and their God. I'm sure you know the only 'moral' form of birth control is the mass murder known as war. The Bible permits that, as does the Quran. I don't think poverty creates exponential population growth. I suspect lots and lots of screwing without contraceptives causes it. You're right about the subservience of women, though; when they lack the right to say no and lack the right and access to birth control, it makes the problem worse. Poverty alone doesn't cause it. But not working means more idle time for panky hanking. Fortunately, the universe built in numerous systems to topple such growth rates au naturel... resources get depleted and famine results. Folks competing for it get more aggressive and kill each other... and themselves. Diseases and antisocial behaviors run rampant. These effects have been documented in laboratories with different animals. Of course, humans aren't animals. We're more civilized. Why, we even have rules for war, to keep it more orderly and proper. As to immigration, we either want the best and brightest, (because a large labor pool is good for business; it keeps the labor costs down) or the very poor (who are eager to do the work our own would prefer not to do). Being against that is sacrilege; either you're for capitalism or ag'in' it. Global warming, just like AIDS and war, is the only Godly way to create a population sink that will decimate the masses in overpopulated countries. Just let nature run its course, why doncha? Sure, it's ugly and painful, but it's effective. We just don't discuss it much in polite company.