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To: Win Smith who wrote (20064)	2/26/2002 11:14:12 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It could be argued that the South didn't really get integrated with the rest of the US economy until the civil rights era. I basically agree with this post, Win, but this particular sentence might be a bit of a generalization. I suspect one would need to disaggregate the "South" a bit. If we are talking economy and not polity, then Virginia in the 50s was, I suspect, already more a national economy than a Southern one, certainly the northern portions of Virginia; Texas was always a case on its own. But if you are talking deep South (excluding Florida), you could argue that portions have yet to join. Who is it, after all, that voted for John Stennis all those years? John

To: Win Smith who wrote (20064)	2/26/2002 11:22:26 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>And there's still leadership elements in the South that glorify both the war for slavery and the post-reconstruction KKK era. Up to and including W (under Karl Rove's careful guidance) in the South Carolina primary in 2000.<< No, no, no. The mainstream, respectable Southern apologists don't glorify the slavery part nor the KKK. They gloss over that part. It's irrelevant to the glory part, which focuses on the intellectual argument that the South had the right to secede and form a new nation based on the theory that the Constitution was a compact which could be abrogated for good cause. Then there's a lot of stuff about glorious ancestors and the loss of a gracious way of life (leaving aside the issue of who did the dirty work). But no glorification of slavery nor the KKK, at least not at the higher echelons. That's trailer park trash stuff, for people who have at least one vehicle up on blocks in their front yard. All Southerners may look alike if you're a Yankee, but we are very particular about our taxonomy here.-g-

To: Win Smith who wrote (20064)	2/26/2002 12:33:08 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 281500

Up to and including W Don't be silly, Bush is our country's first black president.

To: Win Smith who wrote (20064)	2/26/2002 2:01:53 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 281500

that glorify both the war for slavery and the post-reconstruction KKK era. Up to and including W (under Karl Rove's careful guidance) in the South Carolina primary in 2000. Have you got some links to the alleged glorificaiton by Bush of the KKK reconstruction era??? I don't recall him ever making any such remarks....