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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (11978)	2/26/2002 10:43:33 PM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

"The most horrific crime in modern history.." Is it? Yes, because of the milieu in which it occurred--carried out by what may have been the most highly cultured nation in the world--a country which reached tremendous heights in art, music, literature and science. It showed that all aspects of civilization may vanish in a relative nanosecond. That is why Germans of the first half of the 20th century exterminating Jews is more "horrific" than anything that might have been done by backwards, "warrior" cultures. It is as horrific as if the most civilized person you could imagine suddenly pulled out an axe and sliced a child in two.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (11978)	2/27/2002 1:22:45 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Grasso, some trivia for you, did you know that there were only brief passing message on Jews at the Babiy Yar during Soviet Times....They were just labeled Soviet citizens....Do you realize, You would fit right into the Soviet Mold, except that Soviet killed Nazi Regime at the enormous cost of life to every family in Soviet Union.. jewroots.com There were no concentration and labour camps in Ukraine. The fascists saw no sense in using the slave labour of Ukrainian Jews. When the Germans captured Ukrainian cities, they just gathered the Jewish population together in several days or weeks and shot them all. The German authorities promised the Jews, they would be delivered to other regions far away from the front line where they would live and work. So appeared the so called "ditches" in nearly all major cities of Ukraine where the Germans shot down and buried the Jews. Many of them were left without any signs and could be hardly found after the World War II. Usually the Jews digged these pits themselves… These terrible monuments to the Holocaust victims are spread all over Ukraine: These terrible monuments to the Holocaust victims are spread all over Ukraine: Vinnitsa, Lviv, Nemirov, Pechora, Kamenetz-Podolsky, Khmelnitzky, Yevpatoria, Kharkov, hundreds of other cities and shtetls… One of well-known Holocaust sites in Ukraine is the concentration camp "The Dead Loop" in Pechora (district Vinnitsa). Vassily Grossman in his "Black Book" describes this awful place in detail. The most known Holocaust site throughout Ukraine is Babiy Yar in Kiev, the place where over 150000 Jews from Kiev and neighboring areas had been killed. To the 50th anniversary of the Babiy Yar tragedy there was established a monument in the shape of Menorah here. On September 29-30, 2001 here took place the memorial ceremonies devoted to the 60th anniversary of the massacre in Kiev. There was also established the monument for all Jewish children killed in the fire of the Holocaust.