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To: maceng2 who wrote (20115)	2/26/2002 9:49:47 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

An armed society is a polite society. Not in the South African townships... nor in many other areas of the world. The social stability enjoyed here in the Occident is really the exception in the world unfortunately, but this doesn't have anything directly to do with gun-grabbing. For example, crime involving firearms has been on the rise in France, but this is more a function of the arms that are now circulating in Europe following the Bosnian conflict. They have had quite a number of cases of gang bangers in the housing projects in possession of rocket launchers, something we don't see at all here in the US (not even in Texas :-)

To: maceng2 who wrote (20115)	2/27/2002 8:45:32 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Terrorist bomb plotter jailed for 20 years A 27-year-old man has been jailed for 20 years for planning to cause terrorist explosions in Britain using the high explosive HMTD. Mr Justice Hughes told Moinul Abedin that the plot had the potential to have maimed or killed large numbers of people if it had not been "nipped in the bud" by the security services. Abedin, of Sparkbrook, Birmingham, stockpiled enormous quantities of the home-made explosive and made detonators in readiness to cause a terrorist blast, Birmingham Crown Court heard. His co-defendant, 38-year-old Dr Faisal Mostafa, of Stockport, Greater Manchester, was cleared by the jury of conspiracy to cause explosions and doing an act intended to cause an explosion. Abedin was convicted of committing an act with intent to cause an explosion using HMTD, but cleared of conspiracy to cause explosions between October 1 and November 18 2000. The jury, which took eight hours to reach its verdicts after a six-week trial, was discharged from reaching verdicts on a joint charge of possession of HMTD in light of the verdicts on the counts of doing an act with intent to cause an explosion. Sentencing Abedin, Mr Justice Hughes said: "This was a serious plot. It was a plan to cause explosions on a scale which was likely to put lives in danger." The judge said Abedin - who used a "terrorists' handbook" detailing bomb-making techniques - had put together a chlorate-based mixture which was very common in terrorist devices. The court heard that Abedin is of Bangladeshi origin, but was not presented with any evidence about his intended target or motivation. He added: "It's not shown that you had determined on a target or targets." Abedin used a terraced house in Sparkhill, Birmingham, and an industrial unit in the Tyseley area of the city to stockpile bomb-making material. Abedin told the court that he and his co-defendant were not plotting to make bombs, but intended to start a fireworks business. ananova.com