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Technology Stocks : Novell (NOVL) dirt cheap, good buy? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Paul Fiondella who wrote (37800)	2/28/2002 4:13:18 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 42771

We Love You Scott..... >>It's pretty sad to watch you bounce from one bad judgement call to another You should just get as far away from Provo as you can. It's bad for you Scott. >> I agree with Paul!! There's some incredibly dark karma rising above the Great Salt Lake. Fresh water corresponds with spiritual things of light, love and truth. I don't know what salt water is good for but perhaps to mine more salt so we can preserve more meat the Old Way. Please note that I'm not saying individuals out there are evil. Theres' a HUGE difference between "the individual who is simply "an effect" that proceeds forth from these spiritual causes that emmanate in the world of spirits. And these spirits can dress and dance and con and rope and tie and lie and cheat and steal till death do us part. It's not the individual!! It's the spirits that are reflected and express ed through individuals. BIG difference!! Scott, there's a ton of great country here in the great midwest. We have land in Montana. I'm sure Paul has a beach somewhere out on Long Island. It's time for a change. You are too talented and too creative and too this and that to be wasting it while trying to navigate a snake pit. But this all is going to change for individuals will be exiting these Wizard of Oz-like distrust, claim, blame and shame control castles. This has been a process which has been happening all across the world. And even the madness of trying to bomb the Bin Laden's of the world isn't going to stop this massive, massive, massive revelatory spiritual change that's going to "make all things new." So you have my vote and support!! And ALL the folks out there by the Great Salt Lake have my support. There are many great people out there who I have come to know and do busines with. And, being Mormon, they'd be the fist to tell me and others they, too, could leave behind a lot of the disfunctional crap that, unfortunately, is tied and bound in these religious communities. I see ALL these labels and definitions simply going the way of the dinosaur. For, while they sound great and look great and are dressed to impress, behind every ONE of them are hidden claims that spiritually and mathematically sow seeds of blame and shame. I'm not a Catholic or a Jew or a Republican or a Democrat!!! I am AN INDIVIDUAL!! PERIOD!! And the sooner we all understand this the sooner we are going to be able to connect with our Father in Heaven's Divinely perfect light, energy and Love which we will learn to freely receive and share with others in ways that duplicate, replicate and radiate ALL over this universe!! For we are slaves to these imaginary LABELS unless we believe in the LIE behind these claims!! The Lord wants mankind to be free!! He wants us to live!! He wants us to LOVE! And He will never, EVER, claim, blame or shame anything, anyone, anyway or anything. For it's the spirits from hell that do all that work. And heaven and hell simply don't mix. Period. And I'm sure you have Paul's and others on this thread. But, then again, perhaps you still are holding onto this judgment of me that I'm wacky and crazy or whatever. This I cannot control nor do I want to control. For we each are free to receive and share any number of different energies, ideas and thoughts with others. The world is going to be made New through this portal of FREEDOM!! Here's hoping you fly SKY HIGH Scott!! 119293!! Our ONE Lord God in Heaven is Perfect ALWAYS!! Peace, Light, ONE-LOVE GO!!

To: Paul Fiondella who wrote (37800)	3/1/2002 7:50:36 AM
From: Scott C. Lemon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Hello Paul, > Nelson promised you virtually nothing and that was enough > for you to post endlessly on this thread defenses of him > and his management of the company. Yes ... it was not about me getting anything, it was about Novell making a choice about what kind of company it was going to be. And yes, my arguments remain that it is foolish to think that a single individual being blamed for the state of the company is worthwhile. IMHO, there is a broader environment that has allowed Novell to become the company it is. In your next statement you even acknowledge that Eric was still present at Novell. When does the accountability involve Eric? > He gave you virtually nothing, and what he gave he > probably only gave you because of Eric telling him to > give it. So with this statement, are you now saying that Eric really was "driving the ship" when all of the "good" and "bad" things occurred? So why are you now arguing that Eric is the accountable party? Or the Board of Directors? They have been around even longer? IMHO, there is a much larger group of people that are currently the source of the current state of Novell. And yes, it was not about me getting anything ... I was there with a goal for Novell. I can be successful where ever I go ... I own that I am accountable for my life and my well being. > You sang Nelson's praise at a time when he should have > been axed as an incredibly bad manager destroying the > company. I am very clear that this is your story, and your opinion. Got it. You have made this very clear. To sum this up, is it fair to say that "Paul says that if Stewart Nelson were removed from Novell years ago, it would be a wildly successful company!"? I'm afraid that this is simply a surface-level "change" that would have had no real impact on the conversations that are going on inside of Novell. And, IMHO, it is these negative conversations that truly bring down the momentum of the company ... as they would inside of any company. It's not about these specific individuals. > You were defending bad management because of some crumbs > thrown to you by that bad management. I understand that this is your story, and you are committed that it is "true", however what I was looking at was the various methodologies that can be used effectively in organizational matters. If deep-seated organizational issues exist, then removal of a single individual will do little ... IMHO. > Not only can't you play corporate politics Scott but you > can't even understand the difference between self > interest and what is good for the company you worked for. I'm curious who we are really talking about here, Paul? ;-) I have no interest in corporate politics, nor playing them. I do not have a religious bent on any specific organization or company. Each step of the way, I was being my word, and being committed to the company that I worked for. I pursued my research and development to create openings that Novell could possibly use to enter into new markets. I constantly lobbied the executives at Novell about different possibilities that existed for Novell to generate revenue and/or gain visibility. That's what I was hired to do. I also presented to customers, and listened to their requests to formulate analysis of these requests, and to present my findings and perspectives to interested parties within Novell. I would have to say that there was no difference between "between self interest and what is good for the company [I] worked for" ... my self-interest was to be involved with a company that has incredible potential, and present it with opportunities. My self interest was to see Novell succeed at all costs. I have said before that I will own that I failed to find a way to communicate those possibilities that they were heard as opportunities. Feel free to continue to criticize me for that ... you are welcome to it! > It's pretty sad to watch you bounce from one bad > judgement call to another You should just get as far away > from Provo as you can. It's bad for you Scott. Thanks for the advice, and since we are sharing advice I would have to say the same to you! Sounds like you might want to read your own advice ... I believe that you really intended it for yourself in the first place. I think that everyone here understands your frustration in owning your own judgement call of buying Novell stock when you did! ;-) Scott C. Lemon