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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (160948)	3/2/2002 10:16:10 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 186894

Beamer - Re: "Anand is reaching the same conclusion as everyone else - their may be no BarfOn" I actually predicted this early last year, when AMD's roadmap first showed a Barton CPU" Congratulations on seeing this before anyone else. MAD has had all their programs slip and slip and slip until their high priority product - HAMSTER - must have been given all their resources - and the remaining products will be left to die from neglect. Too bad for MAD - their big advantage of "small die size" will be LOST since their 32 bit processor with 64 bit extensions (Hamster) will have them stuck at >100 sq. mm. - while Intel's Pentium 4 keeps getting smaller. Paul

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (160948)	3/2/2002 10:47:28 PM
From: dale_laroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

>We'll have to see what happens. Truthfully, I would have thought Barton to be crucial for AMD's very low power applications, including mobile and dense servers. On the other hand, maybe the cost involved with SOI really is larger than AMD anticipated, and perhaps combined with the desire to move resources to Hammer, Barton simply got cancelled.< It is possible that Hammer can be made lower power than Barton. With an integrated memory controller the processor itself would almost have to run hotter, but the extra power consumed by Hammer might not be as great as the power saved in the support chipset. If the above is not true, the decision to cancel all Barton processors would be a major mistake, although I think a bulk silicon Clawhammer for desktop would make more sense than Barton for desktop.