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To: one_less who wrote (1084)	3/4/2002 3:11:50 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Respond to of 21057

Very well said and elaborated, Jewel. I have never heard this triangulation construct before, and I appreciate your sharing it. Your beginning point, as to how we can account for all the otherwise-rational people who believe in a Deity, is a powerful one. Especially so when we realize that this applies not only to the present, but through all of recorded history. There are lists around of prominent athieists, living and dead, but of course these can be easily matched by similar lists of prominent theists. Engaging in such list-making only tells us that level of intellect -- alone -- bears no correlation to believing or non-believing. Moreover, if rationality tilted the scales against theism, then we would expect that the proportion of theists in the global population would have steadily declined through the unfolding of history. We have come a long way since the darker ages when fables, lore, and legends were more easily believed in the absence of scientific knowledge and explanations, to the present, when so many former mysteries of the universe have become understood. If rationality, knowledge, and intellect were the keys -- then a decline in theism should be dramatically and unmistakably evident in the historical record. I certainly do not believe this to be the case. I like your premise that it is possible to "think" with the heart (by listening to what it tells us), and not alone the intellect.

To: one_less who wrote (1084)	3/4/2002 3:20:54 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

I offered a perspective through which non-believers could see how believers can apply sense to having faith in God Now that you've explained where you're going with this triangulation thing, I've given it a look. I understand what you're saying with your three sources of input. What is the second group of three. Are those items supposed to further elaborate of the three sources? If so, are you saying that the combination of the three form a rational basis for faith in a Creator? Karen