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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12225)	3/4/2002 6:16:13 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

"But", Gandhi asserted, "My sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice. The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and in the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after their return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood?" twf.org Now precisely the point! 70% of the Israelis were born in Israel....Arab Refugees were born in Lebanon and Jordan, right?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12225)	3/4/2002 6:18:50 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

More on the very same point...Do you think Indian position from Soviet tims have evolved because of the bloody Kashmir conflict, which is very similar in nature?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12225)	3/4/2002 7:54:08 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Len, some much desired Zionist education for you, that I know you will enjoy.. yahoodi.com After 2000 years of exile, the Jewish People has emerged traumatized. The source of that trauma has been the constant insecurity and fear that characterized most of the Diaspora, in most parts of the world. It is a product of landlessness, massacres, periodic expulsion and flight, persecution by tyrants and abuse by the Church and Mosque who encouraged antisemitism to satisfy their own insecurities and political desires. Physical security for the Jews has traditionally been improved in a number of ways: usefulness, mobility, bribery and assimilation. Psychological responses to this insecurity and trauma are well known: self-hatred and blame, identification with and appeasement of abusers, obsessive fantasy of a future paradise on earth. These solutions and responses are so integrated into the Jewish psyche that they have been passed down from generation to generation, displaying themselves even in relatively free societies, even in America and the recently liberated homeland, Israel. Despite its significance to the Jewish Nation, the State of Israel has failed to alleviate most of this trauma, and has not reduced the levels of antisemitism - it has simply allowed antisemites to masquerade themselves under the new banner of "anti-Zionism". We cannot expect antisemitism to disappear - Jewish existence and Jewish philosophy will always be threatening to its children: Christianity, Islam and Marxism. The trauma and insecurity, on the other hand, is within our power to diminish - should we decide to do so.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12225)	3/4/2002 7:56:57 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

Mahatma Gandhi Rejected Zionism>>>> He was behind times? <ggg> and Dr. Marthin Luther King emraced Zionism likud.nl ". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is God's own truth. Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12225)	3/4/2002 8:01:14 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

The blind alley of Naxhalism In the late 1960s and 1970s thousands of revolutionary-minded youths lost their lives trying to implement the Naxhalite perspective. Because of the appalling poverty and inequality prevailing in much of India and because the working class has been subordinated by the Stalinist parties to capitalist politics--to trade union struggles and parliamentarism--the Naxhalites have, on occasion since, been able to evoke limited popular support in a number of peasant and agricultural labourer struggles. With their peasant-based guerrillaism the Naxhalites supplement the work of the mainline Stalinist parties in keeping the working class--which by virtue of its ties to modern industry, technique and the global economy is the most essential revolutionary force in India--isolated from the struggles of the rural masses. Predictably, the Naxahiltes' sole response to the massacres of the Ranbir Sena has been to mount and threaten retaliatory raids, publicising their own hit-list of landlords and their accomplices. A half-century of "independent India" has proven the utter incapacity of the national bourgeoisie to complete the tasks of the democratic revolution and the bankruptcy of the Stalinist-Maoist two-stage theory of revolution. wsws.org

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12225)	3/4/2002 8:06:24 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

BACKGROUND TO PARTITION The Muslim League and Mohammed Ali Jinnah. The movement among the Muslim population of the India-Pakistan subcontinent that culminated in the creation of Pakistan stemmed from the historical fact that, for more than six centuries before the effective domination of the; British in India, Muslim soldiers and administrators had)i controlled a population in which Hindus were a numerical majority, although mass conversions to Islam in economically backward areas like East Bengal (Bangla desh) produced local Muslim majorities. When the British replaced Muslim domination by their own, the tradition of rule prevented the Muslims from adapting themselves to the new situation as readily as the Hindus; pakistaninformation.com

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12225)	3/4/2002 8:09:37 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

It was a victory for mankind all the more remarkable for its improbability: India, fractious and humblingly poor, united to evict its sophisticated conquerers--and did so without war, under the banner of Mohandas K. Gandhi's ahimsa, or nonviolence. But then something awful happened. Unity and transcendence turned to division and blood hunger. The subcontinent itself was torn into three separate chunks. Its people, formerly nonviolent fighters for freedom, became neighborly mass murderers. Hindus and Sikhs on one side, Muslims on the other, the only thing that joined them now was hatred and a fury still difficult to explain--and not, by a far measure, universally repented. "Our chaps would kill with really good spirit," reminisces Dilawar Butt, 73, a former member of the National Guard, who admits he helped torch a market in the city of Lahore in the summer of 1947, killing several hundred Hindus. "We didn't feel anything." Such behavior was not the monopoly of any single faction. time.com