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To: Elmer who wrote (73290)	3/4/2002 8:39:35 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

RE:"CuMine outperformed Athlon upon introduction both clock for clock and in absolute terms." What was the P3 when Athlon came along? Cumine? Also, headroom does mean a lot...and Hammer will have to deal with the headroom of the P4, for sure...the public is just too stupid about benchmarks and Mhz... If a hammer is at say 3400+ at 2xxx Mhz and the P4 is running at 3000 Mhz the P4 will still sell easily.... Of course, if X86-64 catches on then AMD shifts the paradigm. Count on Intel scrambling to x86-64 if need be. Jim

To: Elmer who wrote (73290)	3/4/2002 10:42:14 PM
From: ptanner	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Elmer, re: "CuMine outperformed Athlon upon introduction both clock for clock and in absolute terms." Nope. From Anand's Coppermine review conclusion: "The Athlon is no longer king of the hill…neither is the Pentium III E. Overall, the Athlon is still the faster chip on a clock for clock basis." anandtech.com Tallying the benchmarks in that review the Athlon 700 beat the PIII 700E in 8 of 8 benchmarks and tied the PIII 733E. As the processors advanced to 1GHz and AMD lowered the cache clock ratio Coppermines did improve their relative position but not to one of complete superiority. From Anand's 1GHz Coppermine review: "For content creation applications and games (in most cases), the 1GHz Pentium III is faster than the 1GHz Athlon. Whether this is because specific SSE optimizations or because of the full speed on-die L2 cache of the Pentium III depends on the particular game and/or application, but for the most part the Pentium III will come out on top. Things change once you enter the professional graphics arena, where the Athlon completely dominates provided that it is paired up with a KX133 motherboard." anandtech.com On this topic of relative processor architecture performance... has anyone seen any benchmarks for the 512K L2 PIII-S processors? -PT