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To: pezz who wrote (16158)3/5/2002 5:52:12 AM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
<<You clearly don't understand the way this works do ya?>>

That your opinion. I very seldom call people ignorant. Usually, I make my analysis prove that.

In how many countries have you lived in this world? If it is only in the US this disqualifies you as a person to discuss an issue that requires a lot of knowledge about how the world works.

In lived in Sweden, Czech republic (example of communist economy) (example of environment friendly country), Nigeria (example of the fourth World); Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.

I was born in Brazil example of burning forest (vbg) for the naive.

It has to do to a lot with the age. I divided into two Two camps: Younger people were told in the kinder garden that red meat is bad. Is actually very very good- and grow up as vegetarian.

Then there's the 'veinho' (oldie) this one looks outside and remember the 'good' old days and want to freeze his surroundings as they are. You are in the 'veinho' camp.

And I repeat here if you haven't read yet, I dropped out in the high school. So you can say I 'don't understand how this works'



To: pezz who wrote (16158)3/5/2002 6:05:32 AM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
<<Wish ya had some evidence to back it up.>> By 2050, the world population growth rate, according to this 'spike' theory, is expected to drop to less than 0.5% a year, and world population will then stabilize at about 10 billion.

The reason is the declining birth rate. In 1973, the U.N Fund for Population Activities the world's acknowledged expert organization on matters of population, estimated that the annual average birth rate during the 70s would be 1.95%. This estimate has since been successively lowered; to just 1% in 1986. UNFPA has concluded that the human race possesses an innate capacity for adjusting its growth and that the recent downward trend in birth rates marks the beginning of a new population epoch.

You can see the blip on a table covering the population growth rate last 16.000 year Scientific American, September 1964.



To: pezz who wrote (16158)3/5/2002 6:10:51 AM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 74559
 
The industrial revolution ran on coal. Look the Thames River back with fishes. See how a paper and pul mill in Sweden don't smell sulphur. Loo to Germany's Ruhr Valley.

The Chinese 'veinhos' (oldies)when they get rich - as exemplified by the German 'veinhos' American 'veinhos'- will have money and them they start remembering the 'good' old days of coal and will demand environmental sound policies.



To: pezz who wrote (16158)3/5/2002 6:16:41 AM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
<<Continuing advances in technology can increase the "take" of limited natural resources>>

That's it! Technology have been solving the problem for a while and will continue to do so. Its just a matter of having the financial incentive. The same financial incentive the Chinese have to grow fueled by coal.

Now if you are trying to tell me that energy resources will end in a matter of couple of years because technology was scrapping the bottom of the barrel and don't believe that.

We had an abracadabra called Oil Shock by the importers and Oil Boom by the exporters. It taught the world how to make cars. And that was not for real, that was pulling the wool over the eyes of oil consumers.

Now imagine if energy was really ending what it could do. Lots of people is good: There will be lots of brains to think the problem over.