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To: goldsnow who wrote (12264)	3/5/2002 3:35:52 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Did the Chechnyans come from New Jersey?

To: goldsnow who wrote (12264)	3/6/2002 3:57:27 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Talking of diaspora, motherland and whatnot... your ceaseless lament about uprooted Jews coming back home sheds a whole new light on Europe's xenophobia --just consider this: Expulsion of the Moriscos: An Exploration of Two Centuries of Scholarship geocities.com Excerpt: On the matter of military shame, Watson is silent. While Lynch sees the signing of the Twelve-Years' Truce with the Dutch as a compelling factor in the expulsion, Watson actually claims that the edict of expulsion was kept secret until September 1609, five months after it was signed on 4 April 1609. Watson is almost certainly incorrect; in Lynch's words, "In a government which wanted victories on the cheap the psychological factor was not insignificant." It is doubtful that the Spanish government would have chosen to conceal such an inspirational moral victory, for the signing of the expulsion edict helped the Spanish to mitigate some of the shame that they had earned through military ineptitude. Considering that his methods were far more descriptive and far less analytical than those of the modern historians, Watson's figures for the total number of Moriscos expelled are remarkably accurate. He claims that within a few weeks, about 120,000 Moriscos were expelled from Valencia. Although he is unable to provide an estimate for the country as a whole, Watson's figure for Valencia matches well with Lynch?s careful estimate of 117,464 expelled. Lynch and Kamen are in general agreement about the total number expelled from Spain: Lynch declares that 275,000 were expelled through 1614, while Kamen bumps the figure up to 300,000 out of a total population of 320,000. As for the fate of those expelled, Watson seems much better informed than the modern historians. While Kamen is silent, Lynch merely remarks that "[the Moriscos] got a mixed reception but eventually contributed their industry and skills to their new homelands." Watson scoffs at this gullibility, asserting that more than 100,000 of the 120,000 Moriscos expelled from Valencia died within a few months. These deaths came as a result of shipwrecks, murderous crewmen, unfriendly Bedouin Arabs, fatigue, hunger, and the unrelenting heat of the deserts in North Africa. As for the guilty Spaniards, "Far from feeling remorse or sorrow for what had happened, they rather triumphed and exulted in it?" Watson may be misinformed concerning the magnitude of these atrocities, but his emphasis on this aspect of the expulsion is interesting in light of the lack of detail from modern historians. [...] ____________________ Get the point? The current flow of North African immigrants towards Spain, Sicily, Southern France should be interpreted in the same manner as the Jewish one: stray folks coming back home after a long, long, long wandering abroad... Besides, North Africa (Morocco, Tunisia) was invaded by European Vandals (who crossed the Gibraltar Strait); today, their grand, grand, grand, grandchildren are coming back home! LOL Gus Moriscos: bartleby.com