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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: JEB who wrote (234806)3/6/2002 10:06:54 PM
From: chalu2  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 769667
 
Ahhhh...the refreshing Arab view of things:

An article by Islamist Dr. Rif'at Sayyid Ahmad, titled "Guantanamo, the Auschwitz of the American era: J'accuse!!" recently appeared in the Lebanese daily Al-Liwa. The article described the detention of the Al-Qaida and Taliban members at Guantanamo as a war crime. Following are excerpts from the article:

Guantanamo Bay: 'The American Auschwitz'

"...We always see how human beings prey upon each other, how values are trampled, and how tragedies recur. This is exactly what happened, and is still happening, at the 'American Auschwitz' detention camp...excuse me, I meant the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay!! This is one of the worst deeds of the American era in which we live, and one of the most infamous of its crimes, and will go down in history if [history] is written by men of honor, not by traitors."

"This detention camp reminds me of 'J'accuse' by Emile Zola, who, in 1898, defended Alfred Dreyfus, the French officer of the Jewish faith... This French officer objected to his trial being exploited by the Zionist Jews, led by Herzl. He [also] refused to meet with them because he objected to the Zionist plan and to the establishment of an independent [Jewish] state, and supported Jewish integration into [European] society. He saw [his trial] as fundamentally French, completely unconnected to his religion. This is what spurred Emil Zola to take up the subject in his political-literary article 'J'accuse,' for which he paid a heavy price; he too was sentenced to prison, for a year, for the offense of [publishing] the article..."

"With his article, Emile Zola implanted in the Western conscience principles which, in my opinion, are being completely destroyed today. The first of these is respect for the value of the individual as an individual, regardless of nationality, religion, or the color of his skin. [Second,] the value of resistance to oppression, primarily [oppression] by someone who rules and holds power against the weak and who cannot confront him. [Third,] the value of liberty and the risk of depriving the individual of it..."

"It is interesting how perceptions, values, and history have changed from Zola's time to the war crimes now being committed by the U.S., the length and breadth of the world, primarily in Guantanamo. This detention camp is the outcome of the crime of the destruction of Afghanistan (30,000 dead and hundreds of villages destroyed!!)."

"Has the situation changed? History repeats itself, painfully. This time, we are not talking of a single Dreyfus, but of nearly 2,500 Muslim Dreyufuses, placed in iron cages like animals and treated with a cruelty rarely found even among the wild beasts in the jungles. These are the days of the Stone Age, days in which the difference between human beings, stones, and animals has disappeared!!... This is a cruelty that demands more than one Emil Zola to cry out before the arrogant and bloodthirsty master of the world [President Bush]...'J'accuse'!!"

"While Zola accused eight high-ranking generals in the French army...I direct my political and moral accusation at the president of the U.S.; his deputy Dick Cheney, that super-racist Jew; his secretary of state, Colin Powell; his intelligence minister [sic]; his national security advisor; his war ministry staff [sic]; his administration in the White House; British Prime Minister Tony Blair... who played the role of procurer, as did all the ministers and presidents of the European Union countries who have participated in and supported the crime being committed at Guantanamo and who, by their declared collaboration or their open silence, have brought to ruin the values that they claim exist in their civilization – the values of Emil Zola, Montesquieu, Russell, and Toynbee..."

U.S. Committing War Crimes

"We accuse all these of committing, or participating in committing, the crime of war against humanity taking place before their very eyes in Guantanamo, without opening their mouths. They even exacerbate [the crime and create] another Auschwitz, at the beginning of the new century. Auschwitz, for those who don't know, is the detention camp in which, it is claimed, Hitler burned Jews in gas chambers during World War II."

"The stench of their charred skin filled the nose from dozens of kilometers away. Although I do not believe this exaggerated Jewish yarn, the detention camp [at Auschwitz] did indeed exist, and there was a Nazi crime against all of humanity (not only against the Jews, as they claim)... If the stench filled noses for miles around, then [today] the same stench fills the nose of the 'civilized' West, extorted financially, politically, and educationally, as Holocaust studies are mandatory in European schools, as a supreme value that cannot be ignored or denied."

"If indeed this happened in Hitler's Auschwitz, why can't it happen in Bush's Auschwitz?! Could it be because those whose skin burns in the Cuban sun, in the iron cages exposed [to the sun] from all directions – because these men whose humanity is stripped from them, who are turned into 'objects,' neither men nor beasts – are Muslims?! Is the Western conscience dead, and has it sunk to this level of barbarity?..."

"If what happened in the U.S. on September 11, 2001 (which I oppose from the humane point of view, but nothing more) and the disastrous war in Afghanistan that followed, are termed 'the first war of the century,' then what is happening in Guantanamo is worthy of being called 'the first Auschwitz of the century'..."

Bush Administration Does Not Trust Its 'Impotent Homosexual Military'

"The increased security measures and the restrictions placed on the [Guantanamo] detainees expose the fear of the Muslim that dwells in the heart of the American fighter. These also reveal that the American leadership does not trust the abilities of its impotent and homosexual fighters, who fear for their lives, unlike the [Muslim] prisoners who persistently seek martyrdom..."



To: JEB who wrote (234806)3/6/2002 10:26:12 PM
From: 10K a day  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 769667
 
You know. I don't even care about osama bin ashcroft or rumsfeld...

I don't have to worry about their sleep pattern.
i don't have to worry about their consciousness.
i don't have to worry if they can dispose their will on other people to justify their ego.
Frankly i don't care....
I just want to know why they're dropping some particularly horrific bombs on civilians?
I wanna' know why we couldn't tolerate the russians dropping the therma baric aerosol bombs but bush can drop them on civilians just a few years later?
I wanna know why they choose to drop daisy cutter bombs that were used in viet nam and laos to clear forests and in iran to blow up deserted minefields because of the high impact they had...
and now they drop the same bombs on civilians?
I don't care if the guys at the top can sleep at night.
I really don't care.
Freakin' ashcroft was slamming the fundamentalist will on the people back in the 1960's...
Walk around his campus with long hair and he'd probably have you shot.
Wow...we've come a long way baby in 40 freakin' years....
I honestly don't care if these guys sleep at night....
I don't care about the traumatic globalization of free enterprise as it applies to the elitest of the world...
I really don't care...
eventually this is all going to backfire in their face...
as one by one people come to realize what the hell is really going on here...

Maybe we should sit down and try to figure out why these people really hate us....
Maybe we should try to figure out why democracies such as finland and sweden and many others don't have people flying airplanes into twin towers...

Bush tells us it's because we're a democracy....
everybody should laugh him off the stage...

the world is jealous because we're a freakin' democracy....
Where do we get these guys...

I'm no expert on these bombs but from what i hear ...bush and his crew sound like a bunch of barbarians....in the ultimate sense...No different than any of the other terrorist of the world.

Bush is either really stupid or he had bad advice...or he just thinks the american public is totally stupid and can't sort things out for themselves...Something is seriously wrong with this picture....

It's really not fundamenally different when the army tells you to "take that hill at all cost" ...
it's fundamentally no different then the guys ramming the planes in to the twin towers....
At least i don't think it is....

I think bush is just biding his time until some mainstream press starts talking about what is going on in the world.

Is this really much different than Nazi Germany?



To: JEB who wrote (234806)3/6/2002 10:30:28 PM
From: ThirdEye  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Well-read moderate? Hah! Maybe the disguise is working.

I would call myself a progressive; definitely left of Daschle but a bit right of Nader, cynical enough about the entire political process to avoid getting all worked up about party doctrine, not much interested in making myself a target(like TP) or beating my head against any walls (Ish, JLA, Zoltan, taggert), more interested in finding some kernel of agreement when possible, with those I can respect..and certainly not well-enough read.



To: JEB who wrote (234806)3/7/2002 12:50:04 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 769667
 
Here's some "progressive and left" sites....from google...Simply amazing!!!....and watch when the next folks on the left complain that a piece of news isn't valid....LOL....They consider these places 'valid'....

News>Alternative Media> Progressive and Left]
Check out all links in this category!!!

directory.google.com