To: combjelly who wrote (161709 ) 3/10/2002 12:26:34 AM From: wanna_bmw Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894 Combjelly, Re: "Now you are lecturing me about how to design low-power system. Tell me something I don't know. I am very well aware of the issues involved." No offense, Combjelly. You areas of expertise are not common knowledge. Re: "Intel moved their announce date up, it isn't the fault of the OEMs, it is Intel's. They should have a handle on the time required to produce a laptop, as does AMD. If they announced early, as AMD very well might next week, they are doing it for PR and marketing reasons." Of course, it is PR and marketing. Getting a better time to market is always preferable over waiting. Intel already has designs from Dell, IBM, and Toshiba, and that's more than enough to initiate an official launch announcement. If Compaq and HP and Gateway take longer to design their laptops, that is *not* Intel's fault. If IBM, Dell, and Toshiba simply beat them to market, and Intel was ready with their chip, why not launch? Re: "According to AMD, they have been sampling their 0.13 micron laptop processors since late 2001." Right... I've heard this song and dance before. Yet this also tends to conflict with the fact that more than 3 months later, there and still no production parts. In fact, I'm sure you've read The Inquirer, which mentions that motherboard manufacturers will receive Thoroughbred samples on the 20th of this month.theinquirer.net That kind of suggests that they haven't received samples, yet. If not, what has AMD been doing with the samples that you think were produced last quarter? Re: "Intel and AMD tend not to announce mobile chips until OEMs are ready to ship. However, both will jump the gun when they think the other is about to make an announcement that is significant..." Of course they will. On the other hand, Intel has some OEMs ready - right now . Dell, IBM, and Toshiba will let you place an order for a Pentium 4-M laptop without listing an ETA date. If you are still skeptical, maybe you should try buying a laptop, and tell us when you receive it. wbmw