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To: AlienTech who wrote (21062)3/10/2002 5:02:11 PM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
ps.. have you killed a native today?

no, not yet.



To: AlienTech who wrote (21062)3/10/2002 5:13:21 PM
From: Zeev Hed  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Allien, that guy has to go back to school and learn some physics alright. It is enough that one main support beam partially reached 800 C to get the catastrophic collapse starting. By, the way, before the steel even lose its yield strength to 20% (at 800 C) of its room temperature yield strength, it starts and creep (deform), once creep starts, the load distribution is no longer along the axis of the beam, but part of the load is transversal, bending rather then breaking the steel. once one beam (partially bent) no longer bears the load of all the floors above, the other beams loading increases, and at one point a catastrophic (cascading) collapse is initiated, the load is no longer static, it becomes dynamic and thus even lower limits to the steel's strength (thus lower floors where the beams were not that hot also give way). Mind you, those building were planned with potential fire in mind (the steel beams had minimal thermal insulation), but the assumption was an office fire, which under very bad circumstances could bring the steel to maybe 400 C, not a pool of constantly feeding fuel (from fuel tanks). At a corner of a building, where the effect of mechanical breach by plane impact and subsequent explosion, an actual chimney effect soaking in air (and thus oxygen) actually can increase the local temperature well above 900 C. After all, any blacksmith wringing steel in his shop (by putting the steel in a little coal and a simple bellow blowing air on the coal from time to time), brings the temperature of the steel well above 800C (the "black body color of 800 C is a very dim red, at 1000 C it becomes more yellowing, and most steel is wrought around 900 C).

Zeev



To: AlienTech who wrote (21062)3/10/2002 5:34:10 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Respond to of 281500
 
How Jewish money manipulates America's foreign policy:

"Jewish money in Washington D. C. was even crucial in the very founding of the modern state of Israel. Jewish Democrats Dewey Stone, Abe Feinberg, Ed Kaufmann, and others were key fundraisers for Harry Truman's Presidential campaigns; they were also Zionists. Going against the will of his own State Department, Truman followed the Zionist line in supporting a 1947 United Nations vote for the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab sections. Afterwards, said long time Democratic activist and brother-in-law of John F. Kennedy, Stephen Smith: "Two million dollars went aboard the Truman [campaign] train in a paper bag, and that's what paid for the state of Israel." [COCKBURN, p. 26-27]

During the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration, "at the urging of [prominent wealthy Jews] Henry Morgenthau, Sr. and Felix Warburg" the president appointed James D. McDonald as "high commissioner for refugees (Jewish and others) coming from Germany ... The bulk of financial support McDonald received came from private Jewish relief societies. Of his advisory council of twenty voluntary agencies, ten were Jewish, and Felix Warburg was personally obliged to supplement McDonald's meager salary ... McDonald [was] ... a lifetime supporter of Jewish causes and eventually [became] America's first ambassador to Israel." [NICHOLS, p. 43-44] "The State Department representatives [among advisers to President Truman]," notes Melvin Urofsky, "strongly urged that a trained foreign service career officer be nominated, but the President after politely listening to their nominees (nearly all of whom came from the Middle East desk), chose James G. McDonald." [UROFSKY, M., 1978, p. 186] Under Secretary of State Robert Lovette, for example, "questioned whether McDonald's known sympathy for the Zionist cause ought not to disqualify him." [UROFSKY, M., 1978, p. 187]

John F. Kennedy had a strongly negative reaction in 1960 to the conditions Jewish contributors demanded for their donations to his presidential campaign (their "initial" contribution was $500,000). Seymour Hersh notes a conversation Kennedy had with a friend, newspaper columnist Charles L. Bartlett:

"'As an American citizen [Kennedy] was outraged,' Bartlett recalled,
'to have a Zionist group come to him and say: We know your
campaign is in trouble. We're willing to pay your bill, if you'll let
us have control of your Middle East policy.' Kennedy, as a
presidential candidate, also resented the crudity with which he'd
been approached. 'They wanted control,' he angrily told Bartlett."
[HERSH, p. 97]

Among these Jews was Abraham Feinberg, president of the Israel Bonds Organization, who "had helped bankroll Harry S. Truman's seemingly doomed 1948 presidential campaign; by the presidential campaign of 1960 he was perhaps the most important Jewish fundraiser for the Democratic Party. There was nothing subtle in his message: the dollars he collected were meant to insure continued Democratic Party support for Israel." [HERSH, p. 93] "My partner to power," said Feinberg, "was cooperation in terms of what they needed -- campaign money. " [HERSH, p. 94] To appease Jewish interest in Kennedy's White House, Myer Feldman, a liaison to the Jewish American community, was also afforded extraordinary access to "monitor all of the State Department and White House cable traffic on the Middle East." [HERSH, p. 99] Robert Kennedy, the president's brother, noted in an interview published in 1988 that Feldman's "major interest was Israel rather than the United States." [HERSH, p. 100] Feldman also helped write Kennedy speeches and was "an adviser to columnists Drew Pearson and Jack Anderson." [BLUMAY, C., 1992, p. 66] Also, 'One of Kennedy's most trusted, and little-known advisers during the 1960 campaign [was] Hyman Raskin, a Chicago lawyer who had helped manage Adlai Stevenson's presidential campaign in 1952 and 1956." [HERSH, S., 1997, p. 90]