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To: tejek who wrote (143174)	3/11/2002 7:02:11 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577883

Ted, <I would like to know in which precincts there are people willing to take cigarettes for their vote.> Ask and ye shall receive: themilwaukeechannel.com Tenchusatsu

To: tejek who wrote (143174)	3/11/2002 9:47:34 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1577883

Of course, Gore took back his concession once he learned how screwed up and dishonest the electoral system was in FL. He would have been a fool not to. Its not just FL. There have been stories about people being bussed around to vote multiple times for a specified candidate in response for money in New Orleans. Bob Dornan may have been voted out of office by non-citizens. The voting process is screwed up all over. Fortunatly the messed usually amount for less then 1% of the votes and thus usually can not effect the election but in really close elections they can. Also the screwups go both ways. Yeah, they made a mistake because the rural panhandle of FL is in a different time zone. Now how many people do you think were at home ready to go out and vote, but then heard the media forecast and stayed home instead? Most rural areas vote early, not late. It would not have taken a lot of votes to make a difference and the area went heavily for Bush. Tim

To: tejek who wrote (143174)	3/11/2002 9:57:34 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577883

I would like to know in which precincts there are people willing to take cigarettes for their vote FACTS ABOUT VOTER FRAUD (emphasis added) Blue hair war: Granny steals the election by *Tom Adkins TNA News with Commentary Monday 20 November 2000 We can measure the distance between Earth and the moon to a quadrillionth of an inch. We have computers that compute a zillion times a second. We can transplant hearts, transplant hair and clone sheep. But in Palm Beach County, Florida, whose zip code is one of the five highest per-capita incomes in America, they choose their president with a hole-punch voting machine that looks like an eighth grade shop-class project. You would think this Mecca of Blue-Haired Millionaires could afford a better voting booth than Fred Flintstone uses. Why would these super-rich grannies accept such a hideously flawed voting system that is blatantly inaccurate and subject to massive fraud? Ahh ... you're catching on. This Flintstone voting system is ripe for cheating. And nobody cheats like the Democrats. Over the past 40 years, almost every case of significant voter fraud involves Democrats. Nixon lost in 1960 because Mayor Daley commanded 8,000 Democrats to rise from their graves and vote for Kennedy. In California, Loretta Sanchez stole the election from Bob Dornan with a combination of blatant fraud and Clinton's slick INS move that created instant voters from illegal immigrants. Philadelphia and Miami each saw such incredible fraud that elections were actually overturned. This November, bums in Milwaukee were bribed to vote Democrat with cigarettes. Hundreds of Marquette University students happily voted multiple times, encouraged by poll supervisors. Meanwhile, tens of thousands serving in the military didn't even get ballots. And in Palm Beach County, Florida, Gore received almost one vote for every registered Democrat, a statistical probability equal to finding ice cubes floating in with the tide. This isn't a local phenomenon. It's part of a nationwide campaign. We now know the entire protest in Miami Beach was planned, orchestrated, and executed by national Democrat operatives. Democrat phone banks actually started calling Palm Beach rank-and-file before polls closed, urging them to "protest." These supposedly confused voters parading themselves before the cameras were actually long-time Democrat party activists. The same snazzy seniors who play Bingo with atomic clock accuracy, pick the lotto with precision that would honor Werner Von Braun, then hustle a few hours of shuffleboard, suddenly became disoriented and couldn't punch a hole in a piece of paper. Let us debunk a few myths. Palm Beach has happily used the hole-punch system for over 30 years. Pat Buchanan? He got 3,000 Palm Beach votes because 17,000 registered third-party voters live there. And this "confusing" ballot was approved by the Democrats who run the county system. This ballot was also "approved" by 10-year-olds at a Virginia elementary school, unanimously selecting Al Gore in a mock test. Which means these whining seniors are either intellectually inferior to fifth graders or extremely dishonest. But they did their job, helping orchestrate hand recounts in Democrat districts. Since punch-card voting machines have a 5% inaccuracy, honest hand counts will produce a greater number of Democrat votes. Of course, hole-punching and hand-counting is wide open to fraud, and the more time goes by, the more opportunity to be naughty. Count on Gore's army of lawyers to relentlessly recount-the-recount until eyes are blurry, hands are bleeding and a Gore lead is created. Then, they will declare victory and demand we immediately "move on" without re-counting Republican districts. Another stolen victory. Meanwhile, Republicans harrumph and grumble, fumbling the ball once again. Grudgingly, Democrats must be given credit. When facts don't add up, they manipulate opinion. When the Constitution overrides opinion, they are masters of the judiciary. When the judiciary fails, they trump everything with good ol'- fashioned cheating. And cheating thrives in chaos. Thus, the Palm County Democrats are happy to use a Rube Goldberg contraption to tally their votes. And you can count on this: despite this hideous voting process, it will remain unchanged for the next election. The worst aspect of this tragedy isn't the willingness of Democrats to ruin America with their socialist dream, but Republicans ineptitude and unwillingness to fight back. Democrats understand they won't win every battle. But when the fighting is close, their willingness to go for the throat with any tactic necessary gives them a distinct edge. In the meantime, a bunch of Wisconsin college kids punched 20 ballots apiece, illegal aliens and dead folks around the country voted, soldiers couldn't vote, and a bunch of blue-haired old fogeys in Florida have out-maneuvered our best honest election efforts. Perhaps someday, Republicans will learn Democrats don't just play hardball. They conduct war.

To: tejek who wrote (143174)	3/11/2002 11:24:58 PM
From: brian1501	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577883

Of course, Gore took back his concession once he learned how screwed up and dishonest the electoral system was in FL. He would have been a fool not to. Wow. He must have had some crystal ball for that considering he took it back on election night. The TV said he was still in, so he stayed in. Or did you mean, "once Daley told him how screwed up and dishonest the electoral system in FL WOULD be, he decided to take it back". That one is actually plausable. Dems were giving cigarettes for votes up north. That's interesting......do you remember where? I would like to know in which precincts there are people willing to take cigarettes for their vote. I want to pass it on to 60 minutes. It should make for a clever newscast. I'm surprised you hadn't heard about this considering how unfair/corrupt you believe the last elections were. In fact its so clever a tactic, I suspect it may well have had a Rep. origin. Yeah, right. Just keep believing that. The polls were forced to remain open in heavy Dem territory past closing some places. Yeah, so what........it doesn't make what went on in Fl any better. Besides, in FL it wasn't one or two polls but rather the majority that were fukked up. So what? I guess it's ok for Dems to receive help from wherever it may come. Dems need the votes? Sure, just keep the polls open longer so we can bus in more people that we tell who to vote for. The networks announced Gore the winner of FL while the polls were still open in heavy Rep territory in FL. Yeah, they made a mistake because the rural panhandle of FL is in a different time zone. Now how many people do you think were at home ready to go out and vote, but then heard the media forecast and stayed home instead? Most rural areas vote early, not late. Considering how close this race was, this was HUGE. Many people left their lines when they found out that their vote would make no difference. Considering what a stink you guys put up on that butterfly ballot, you should at least be able to make that connection. This one is even a legitimate gripe. You mention that Gore won the popular vote, but you fail to mention that it has been proven that Bush would have won FL if the full state-wide recount (that the Dems were pushing for so heavily) had happened. Proven? If I remember correctly, it was K.Harris or someone else who reached that conclusion. And I still can't figure out how they got to that conclusion. So excuse me if I am not convinced. I'm talking about all of those media types that did an exhaustive recount after the fact (I'm sure looking for something to stoke the fire and make more news). Too bad for them, they found that no matter how lax the rules for counting a vote were, Bush won the hypothetical statewide recount each time. Again, I'm surprised you are not aware of this. Its clear that Bush won the electoral college but it doesn't change the fact that he did not get the popular vote.......which is what I was discussing with Ten. It also doesn't change the fact that the popular vote means "diddly-squat" in a presidential election. Brian