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To: Ramsey Su who wrote (4331)3/12/2002 6:59:19 AM
From: foundation  Respond to of 12231
 
Texas version of a Strangelove fantasy to complement its rather pornographic Star Wars fetish.

Blinders on... no peripheral vision... little interest in the past... perspective ahead intentionally tailored to preconceived expectations.

Braintrust Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz... clearly mentally unstable...

Executive playing in the closet... making shadow puppets for a shadow government...

Fame may prove illusive for this administration, but infamy appears well within reach...



To: Ramsey Su who wrote (4331)3/12/2002 7:17:41 AM
From: foundation  Respond to of 12231
 
China response - day 2:

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Pentagon nuclear plan obtuse, unwise and immoral - US analyst
(03/12/2002) (chinadaily.com.cn)


Pentagon report revealing the US military contingency plan to use nuclear weapons against other nations is diplomatically obtuse, strategically unwise and morally unacceptable, said US analyst Jill Nelson.

It is frightening to think that as average Americans bow heads in prayer, or light a candle, observe a moment of silence, commemorate the lives lost and sense of invulnerability and innocence shattered six months ago in whatever way we deem appropriate, the president and those at the Pentagon are seriously contemplating using "small" nuclear weapons against enemy targets that are "able to withstand non-nuclear attack, said Mr Nelson.

The comments came after Los Angeles Times said it had obtained a classified Pentagon report revealing the US military contingency plan to use nuclear weapons against seven countries, consisting of China, Russia, Iraq, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Iran, Libya and Syria.

He said: "I can't be the only one struck by the irony that as people across the United States peacefully observe the passage of six months since the terrorist attacks on America, Pentagon is considering a fundamental change in established policy on nuclear weapons, lowering the threshold from their use as tools of deterrence to active instruments of conventional warfare."

Nelson described the Pentagon plan is an enormous and horrific shift in policy, and yet another effort to derail the global impetus for nuclear disarmament that is more crucial than ever in this New World.

He argued that he tragedy of Sept. 11, the continuing war in Afghanistan, the knowledge that there are nations and political factions in the world that wish US ill, the failure to find or kill Osama bin Laden is no justification for changing the fundamental rules on nuclear arsenal. The administration's consideration of using nuclear weapons to fight its war on terror is like the kid who is beaten in a fist fight, goes home, and returns with a gun.

He warned that the plan reflected an attempt to take the world back to the Cold War, but now there are no other superpowers.

Yet it is also an effort to take us forward, into some unacceptable brave new world. It threatens to bring into being a world in which the United States accepts, develops, and, once it has gone that far, almost inevitably uses nuclear weaponry against enemies in caves and those with underground installations when conventional warfare is unable to do the job quickly or efficiently enough, he added.

Mr Nelson finally warned that happens, the United States will have won the title of the world's No. 1 nuclear terrorist.

Already US allies in Europe, the Middle East and Asia have raised their voices in protest and horror at this early report.

China, being listed as one of a potential targets of US nuclear strikes, on Monday said it was "deeply shocked'' at the report and demanded an explanation.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi reminded the United States of an agreement that the two nations would not target each other with nuclear weapons.

"Like many other countries, China is deeply shocked by this report," Sun said.

"Any Cold War mentality goes against the global trend of peace and development through cooperation, and is doomed to failure," Sun said.

Sun said China was "a peace-loving country and poses no threat to any other nation", and demanded the US government explain itself.

"The US side bears the responsibility to make an explanation on this matter," he said.

He added that China has all along advocated the comprehensive ban and complete elimination of nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapon states should commit themselves to the unconditional no-first-use of nuclear weapons, and promise not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons on nuclear weapon-free countries and regions, said Sun.

Ye Zicheng, dean of the diplomacy department at Beijing University, said the report showed the continued existence within the United States government of a "China threat" school of thought, which sees rising Chinese economic, political and military power as a menace to other countries.

Russia also reacted with concern to the US report and demanded clarification.

US Vice President Dick Cheney tried on Monday to ease international worry, saying the United States was not targeting its nuclear weapons as a matter of course at any particular nation, and described the media reports as "a bit over the top".

www1.chinadaily.com.cn



To: Ramsey Su who wrote (4331)3/15/2002 3:40:16 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12231
 
<that is really sad, when Bush has a clear choice to be kinder and gentler vs meaner and weirder.

Here is a guy who just went to visit China, shared meals with the hosts, invited their leaders to come visit later this year. In less than a month, now he tells them he is going to aim some nukes their way? What type of diplomacy is that and for what purposes???
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Ramsey, that's "kindler and gentler" and what's with this sudden political ranting style of yours? Increasingly you are becoming a politician and have even written longggggg rants - I am beginning to suspect identity theft is your plan. Invading this sacred thread. Hmmm, Saddam comes to mind for some reason.

You are banned again for making unauthorized political statements. That's a double-banning!! With a double apostrophe!! DOUBLE-BANNING!! Capital letters too.

GeorgeW is obviously trying to improve CDMA sales in China by threatening them with weapons of mass destruction. Use of said weapons of mass destruction would NOT be a crime against humanity because it would be Americans using the WMD. Perhaps it's a new marketing technique - "Buy this CDMA stuff, which is better than opium, or we'll blow your dunny door down with our dirty great WMDs". Japan had to be forcibly "opened to freedom" a couple of centuries ago too.

Hmm, that reminds me of the Boston Tea Party for some reason. Plus ca change...http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/teaparty/bostonxx.htm

In Texas, you invite the guest for dinner, threaten them with a 6-shooter WMD, ask them to buy your flash new CDMA stuff, ban them from selling steel, discuss the Olympic Spirit for the next Olympic Games, demand habeas corpus for the prisoners China is keeping in breach of human rights, incommunicado, unrepresented and in small tiger cages in Guantanamo which I understand is near Hong Kong somewhere, complain about the trade deficit, show them photos of their embassy and citizens being bombed so they'll be impressed by accuracy of USA WMD, seek their support for global suppression of terrorists other than the freedom fighters in Western China, tell them how great democracy and the right to vote to take other people's money is and how China should immediately choose mob rule rather than the current politburo-style government, demand free trade and the international telecommunications free trade rules then explain how Hutchison Whampoa, Li KaChing$$ and Singapore Technologies Telemedia are NOT allowed to buy Global Crossing assets because China is public enemy number one. Message 17202932

For dessert, we have Taiwan!

In the meantime, if it's good enough for GeorgeW to treat China as a strategic competitor to be WMD-threatened, then it's fair that you should be considered a strategic competitor too and BANNED!! [note bold as a classy addition to your banning]. If I had WMD I would target you. Anyway, if you are in the neighbourhood, do pop in for a nice cup of tea and lunch. I'll take you down to enjoy watching some America's Cup training.

Mqurice

PS: Is Guantanamo nearer Beijing or Hong Kong? I am very worried about the human rights of those prisoners China is holding. The fact that they were allegedly terrorist supporters or at least in the same area or perhaps had a similar look and were probably seeking to throw Jiang and Hu Jintao out is NOT good enough reason to deny habeas corpus rights to those prisoners who are innocent until proven guilty and all that stuff.