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To: Lane3 who wrote (2343)	3/12/2002 7:59:44 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 21057

"Menacing and treacherous are dignified, adult words suitable for a great power with a noble cause." Dennis the menace immediately came to mind. An inquisitive and active child who's actions unintentionally and without malice cause good ole Mr. Wilson much to stew about. A menace therefore may be troublesome and annoying but of questioned origin. Not necessarily in the same ball park as evil. Treacherous: dangerous and deceptive; When associated with a person it is generally maked by betrayal of fidelity, confidence or trust. The extension of force going beyond the mere physical attributes of the perpetrator with strategic power extending beyond conscious preconception. The effects while calculated may be far reaching, incidious, and beguilingly harmful. Ok this one flys. I am fine with the term evil but realize it has become way to politicised by sophisitcated "adults."

To: Lane3 who wrote (2343)	3/12/2002 8:25:53 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Respond to of 21057

Evil has a moralistic, sanctimonious tone. That's because it is an absolute, non-relative term. "Menancing", for example, is very relative. The regimes of Iraq North Korea, and Cuba would regard the U.S. a menace, and rightly so. Besides, the author never said anything about another banner to march under, and indeed went on to say that a politician's job is to avoid war. Of course it's possible that the three above regimes would call the U.S."evil", so you might say that creates a stand-off. You might say that. I would say that our nation's power is derived as much from the moral principles we stand for (beginning with the Bill of Rights), as from our military might. I see our power as conferred upon us by the majority of other nations, rather than imposed by force, thus creating both a right and an obligation for the U.S. to lead in these unambiguous characterizations. JC

To: Lane3 who wrote (2343)	3/12/2002 9:48:33 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

I pretty much agree with JC on this. To the extent that it has a moralistic tone I don't have a problem with being moralistic when something is truely evil. I will go as far as saying that is is a term we should try not to overuse both for the normal reason that overusing any word lessons its impact, and also because things that are dangerous or are menacing, are more common then true evil. Tim

To: Lane3 who wrote (2343)	3/13/2002 1:35:53 AM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

I'm not a child or a preacher but evil ("bad") says something to me. Some might say it's calling a spade a spade. M