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To: Lane3 who wrote (2398)	3/13/2002 3:30:29 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

That's a very good explanation of your reasoning. I would however separate moral and religious from moral/religious. You can certainly have moral ideas or use language involving morals without bringing God in to it. Tim

To: Lane3 who wrote (2398)	3/14/2002 2:15:58 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 21057

You're right. "Evil" is not a term that can or should be applied to non-living things. But that's not what were talking about here. You said Hitler and Stalin were evil. Were they just "components", part of an engineering design? Individual Americans can frame this any way they want to. Individual Americans can and should influence how the government perceives matters. WWI was the war to make the world safe for democracy? Is that not a moral stance? WWII took on aspects of a crusade after Pearl Harbor. After the war, Eisenhower wrote a book called "Crusade In Europe". No moral overtones there. Governments often try to frame their wars in moral tones. Nothing new here. Lincoln didn't particularly care whether the Civil War freed a single slave. He said so. It was hard to get people riled up about "free navigation of the Mississippi", though. He changed it into a crusade to end slavery. That had good effects and bad effects (like days of riots in NYC). And those 19 nhijackers aboard those 4 jets? What do you call them? The Good Guys?