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To: Ken Benes who wrote (83229)	3/13/2002 2:34:25 PM
From: Enigma	Respond to of 117072

Ken - very facile - but any dictator who comes around includes Mubarek who appears to be doing some of America's torturing for it, Pinochet, Franco, the Shah, Sadaam when he was a pal, Marcos, need I go on? The apologists for the military industrial crowd always trot out the same sort of arguments as yours. It seems dictators are OK as long as they are your dictators at any one time. Now we are in the process of seeing Sadaam turned into a villain once more - satellite photos, talk of weapons of mass destruction, et., etc. Why? To justify action which is already being planned. There's a good article making the rounds about the phantom threat posed by Sadaam. By an ex arms inspector. But the gullible public will fall for the scare propaganda all over again. Fear is such a motivator. And middle aged and old men will send their youth overseas to be killed once more - in the name of what?

To: Ken Benes who wrote (83229)	3/13/2002 4:10:43 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 117072

I said I was relatively close to the scene of action. Please be specific: what was inaccurate in my commentary? Something that you don't like? The truth hurts, eh? BTW, did you know that a large number of the U.S. forces that fought in Vietnam were blacks from California? But why blacks? Yea, blacks were so badly treated then that they rioted from Buffalo to LA and elsewhere. And yet a good number of blacks saved many of their white comrades during the war. For example, some blacks sacrificed themselves by deliberately wrapping themselves on lobbed Viet grenades to spare their "whitie" comrades' lives. Many of the American veterans saw very limited action! (The moment they were wounded, they were shipped home as war heroes! Col. Colin Powell himself came back soon after he fell over a punji stick). Many often fired their guns against imaginary or unseen enemies in the dark a la Schwarzenegger and his men in the movie, "Predator I". Some pilots dropped their bombs on "imaginary" targets so as to return to base and be seen to have apparently dropped them on intended targets where the flak would have been heaviest. Some Americans were so "enterprising/entreprenuerial" that they smuggled heroin home in the emptied torsos and abdomens of their dead comrades. (This monkey business was uncovered at Hawaii where the body-bags were rerouted.) Many GIs had lots of time playing cards in their tents and they often rushed out to "jack off" or "jerk off" with the help of the big warm raindrops that fell on their dicks, while others went to town to make war babies and/or catch the clap and whatnot. A good number of American prisoners-of-war complained they were badly treated. But little did they realize they were "softies"/spoilt kids who could not adapt to living under the same harsh conditions as their Viet captors. A captured GI once puked and threw away a bowl of gruel that had a boiled hairy monkey hand in it. His captors picked up that hand and ate it with gusto! But, of course, I must give credit to some GIs and Marines and fighter pilots who fought bravely and acquitted themselves very well! I know enough to go on and on. But, enuff is enuff. Are American troops tough enough for harsh Afghan conditions?