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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (3265)3/13/2002 10:42:57 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Respond to of 3536
 
Hawk,

Re: The US certainly can't do it alone as Raymond might have us all foolishly believe.

That is a bizarre comment. I've never said anything about the matter that could be interpreted as you've suggested. Quite the contrary, my notion is that the U.S. should consciously engage in a policy of self-restraint and self containment, and not invest itself so fully in attempting to run the entire world's business. The consequences of that over-reaching were all too clear on 9/11.

BTW, I agree with a lot of Pat Buchanan's views about demographics being destiny.

-Ray



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (3265)3/14/2002 3:07:06 AM
From: X Y Zebra  Respond to of 3536
 
Some 40% of Muslims around the world are younger than 18 years of age. That means that just under 1/2 of these kids will be looking for something to do within the next 10 years. If they don't have jobs, they'll look for someone to take care of them and give them a purpose in life. But the reality is clear that we just can't create 400-500 million new jobs for them over that time period.

Which brings us EXACTLY around to where we began: Politics and its modus operandi. i.e. create fear because daddy government is going to take care of you else, people "don't have a purpose in life". Indeed frightening and it boils down to the ingenuity of the individual to fend for himself/herself.

Why do we "think in terms" of Muslim, Jews, Catholics or whatever.... it is just another fear in the menu... the "fear of god... of hell” etc ... What exactly are these religious organizations are doing to alleviate the problem? A = EXACTLY NOTHING on the other hand, they add fire to the pot by creating these imaginary beings who, as George Carlin, so eloquently puts it... "that are in heaven writing down and counting all the deeds and misdeeds of each member of their respective religions"

To what end? So at the end of our lives we will get the verdict... we go to hell (another imaginary place), or heaven according to our behavior....

And... under such mentality we arrive at the policies of family planning and abortion in the third world... who in their right mind can apply such strict standards where there are families with 5, 8, 10 and in some instances even more children.... where in Brazil, entire generations of children already live on the streets and in time are/will be creating their own children...

So... all the while us who live in the so called first world, ponder what will happen in the future if the US does this or not?

You know what they say.... WHO CARES what the US does? Because they destitute classes are reaching that point.

So it is not a matter of what the US does or not.... what really matters is what these people who live in those countries are willing to do? And I mean in practical terms...

Certainly a band of parrots with different colored clads and dunce hats, clamoring that the gods will send us to an eternal fiery hell if we attempt to control how many children "the gods choose to send us" ... is NOT going to do it for us... or is it ?

The US certainly can't do it alone as Raymond might have us all foolishly believe.

I truly do not know exactly what Raymond has expressed about the subject, but from what I have read of him, I do not have such impression. And, no, I do not believe that the US "can do it alone" nor should the US try it to be so either. The USA cannot be the care giver/taker of the world all of us need to do our share. But in order to make it work, things should be done parting from a truthful base, and the crock of sh*t that political and religious leaders want us all to believe is not going to cut the mustard. It is that simple.

We have reached critical mass...

As it is said in Spanish...

"Ya no somos MACHOS, pero ahora somos MUCHOS.

Roughly it translates as...

"We are no longer MACHOS... but we are MANY" [Therefore, the other side HAS to listen to the destitute and no longer can they be ignored]

Demography is Destiny?

Rubbish...

Only if you believe that families MUST accept however many children the gods "send" us.

Such "destiny" can be controlled, altered, changed by the liberal use of condoms, open policies of abortions (at least in the third world), and similar... to blindly accept such "fate" is not only ignorant but also stupid.

Why is it that the developed countries do not have the birth rates that the third world has?

Quite simply because women who live in these societies have decided that they will no longer be the cargo mules of the child-producing minded males... they want children? Adopt them! Women in these advanced countries want a life.. a real satisfying life with careers etc.

In the third world it is a strugle to fight the dreaded forced multiple motherhood and life of slavery that having unwamted childfren leads to....

Ah yes... but the small detail of the religious overlords oppose such removal of ignorance and child-factory womanhood..

So Demography is destiny?

In short.. that is BULLSH*T

it BECOMES a destiny only if one remains ignorant and enslaved to the idiocy of religious dogma, otherwise, it is NOT a destiny. Demography is something that is registred as a statistic AFTER certain events have taken place. and the gods do NOT impose such events.... [evil] HUMANS do and ignorant people accept them.

townhall.com

In this article, Buchanan, in his "options for Israel" he does now even begin to suggest some sort of population control by means of family planning... in his closing comment, he reveals his political zeal by.... creating fear (what else?)

"For if we do not break this present cycle of atrocity followed by assassination followed by atrocity, all of us – Palestinians and Israelis, Arabs and Americans – are going down in the maelstrom. "

Of course we will... but why is it that he (or others like him), cannot suggest that the way to start a better standard of living for all of us is a better family planning system, without the imaginary threats of hell and demons....

Remove the religiously pushed idea that Jerusalem belongs to religion "x" or "y" or the other... and maybe just maybe we could think in terms of peace.

These religious of "love" is what they are suggesting we embrace? (after they have been killing each other for centuries ?) LOL !

So this is the Buchanan that has such brilliant ideas will lead the world to a better and safer place ?

But how can he? He is a member of the religious maniacs; they rather die and sacrifice all around them before suggesting proper family planning...

More about Buchanan b.s:

townhall.com

But what they needed to hear from the secretary is the truth. The laws of nature and nature's God have not been repealed. As the Bible says, so it remains: The wages of sin is death.

more....

townhall.com

Or is the way to make America secure to pull out of regions where we are hated and let the rogues and radicals settle their own murderous tribal, religious and territorial quarrels themselves?

and even more.... on protectionism....

Consider what free trade is costing. America's industrial dynamism and economic independence are vanishing. Company towns are turning into ghost towns. High-paying manufacturing jobs that provided a living wage for one man to raise a large American family on a single income are being shipped to foreign workers.

Has free trade made America more, or less, independent? Has it made us more or less vulnerable to financial crises? What exactly is it that today's conservatives wish to conserve, besides their untrammeled access to the limitless junk down at China-Mart?


townhall.com

and on his attempt to "seclude America from the world"

With an anticipated 75 million immigrants poised to enter the United States in the next half century -- mostly poor folks, far more prolific than our native-born -- there will arise an inexorable need for still more police, jails, prisons, schools, laws, rules, regulations, services and restrictions on all Americans at the local, state and national level.

townhall.com

And for his crowning as "Dunce of the Week" we read....

The Crusader armies, led by Godfrey of Bouillon and Raymond of Toulouse, captured Jerusalem in 1099, where a massacre did occur. But that same evil befell the knights, and their wives and children, when the last Crusader castle, Acre, fell to the Mameluks in 1291. Have we heard any apologies for the slaughter at Acre?

Offered the title King of Jerusalem, Raymond and Godfrey both refused to wear a crown of gold in the city where Christ had worn a crown of thorns. It was an age of faith. The First Crusade, writes Carroll, was "a just war conducted for a deeply spiritual purpose, though often seriously flawed in its execution." As was World War II.

After that Good War in which British Air Marshal "Bomber" Harris incinerated thousands of refugee women and children in Dresden, Dwight Eisenhower titled his memoir Crusade in Europe. If he was not ashamed of the term, why are we?

Because this generation has been indoctrinated in a pack of lies by the moral sappers of the 1960s nesting in our schools. To them, Western Civilization is an abomination. The greatest explorers, like Columbus, are genocidal racists. Our Founding Fathers were slave-owning hypocrites. The soldier-statesmen of Western empires were brutal imperialists. Now, we must also be ashamed of crusades launched to recapture, in the name of Our Lord, the Holy Land seized from Christendom by the armies of Islam.

The great enemies of the West today are its over-privileged children who are undermining this greatest civilization the world has ever seen. If we should be ashamed of anything, it is for having twice elected one of them as president. Bill Clinton could not carry the sandals, let alone the sword, of Godfrey of Bouillon.


townhall.com

Man... the man sure sounds dangerous.... thinking like a crusader....

Demography is destiny my arse !!

This guy belongs to the nut house. Of course, if we are to approach the world with the above mentality... we are doomed and sooner than what I had originally considered.

S C A R Y.....