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To: giamoncefini10 who wrote (1333)	3/14/2002 9:48:07 AM
From: CountofMoneyCristo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 2926

Jesus my dear friend was a Jew he was circumcizes, he preached in synagogue(not churches), celebrated the Sabbath (saturday not sunday)read the bible my dear friend, he never said I'm the son of God or I'm God, or I'm Christian, Now, I am not in the business of trying to convince anyone of anything - religion is a deeply personal matter that I strongly believe is up to the individual to decide for him- or herself, but I would like to logically respond, as the above is surely an interesting statement. I am only left to wonder aloud if perhaps you are in sole possession of a number of two-thousand-year-old DVDs which might prove your case? If not, your words have very little effect on those who believe that though history as written down by man in any form obviously has its flaws, biases, unduly influential political machinations, deliberately misleading innuendo and outright falsifications, there were nevertheless many firsthand eyewitnesses to the life and teachings of Jesus who wrote down what they saw and heard - THEN, and not 300 years later. I would suggest you revisit your chronology of the writing of the Gospels. It is completely innaccurate, according to a majority of theologians and historians. As for Christianity not being proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth himself, no, the specific name is derived from his death on the cross and subsequent resurrection from the dead, again, witnessed by many credible people, which is why subsequently so many gave their lives in the Colosseum, refusing to deny his message, even under threat of a hideous death. Now, I wonder how you would explain the sacraments of baptism and communion, if Jesus were not bringing a new message to the world? There were eyewitnesses to both. In the end, whether you believe in any religion or not, on a rational level, comes down to whether you find eyewitness testimony credible or not. None of us can absolutely prove to a scientific or legal standard any religion. (The absence of God cannot be proven, scientifically, either. My first question to a scientist would be, now please explain where the Big Bang came from? Science has as yet no answer.) At that point, the bar is more akin to that in a civil proceeding, where "a preponderance of the evidence" rules. In effect, what is more believable than the alternative(s)? I believe that each human being must decide that question - or admit he or she simply does not know and reserves judgment, also a fair position to take I think - and take that mental leap, alone.

To: giamoncefini10 who wrote (1333)	3/14/2002 12:33:17 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Respond to of 2926

giamoncefini10, Firstly, it is nice to meet you. I don't think we have ever spoken before. Your post is honestly, all over the place. You are mixing topics, and are obviously confused about what real Christianity is. You are evidently convinced you know what you are talking about, and you are right. Well I can assure you, you are incorrect about many things you stated, especially the Bible and Christianity. But nevertheless, this is an Islam board, and not a Christian board. Hence, I will not discuss specifics about Christianity here. I will, however, through PM, or on another thread, discuss true Christianity with you, and answer any of your questions if you wish. Just not here. And let me add this, if your mission is to solely disprove Christianity without an open mindedness to consider it might be valid, then I will not waste my time. But if you are open minded, and your heart is open to embrace God's truth, I will spend as much time as you as I possibly could via PM or another thread (and this invitation goes for anyone, not just you!). Now back to Islam, please show me where I have unfairly criticised Islam. If I have, I would appreciate it being pointed out to me so I can either admit my mistake and unfair criticism, or prove it is factual in nature and 100% on the mark. That is what this board is about. I appreciate your post and thanks for it. I look forward to an open-minded and open-hearted discussion of Christianity, if you are up for it, via PM or another thread. God Bless, IGIT