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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (237891)	3/14/2002 11:53:45 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 769670

Most Jews were not Communists, but were Orthodox, living in rural communities. Most Communists were not Jews. However, it is true that Jews were disproportionately involved in the upper echelons of Communist politics. Not, however, as Jews, since they were atheists who were alienated from their communities, but as persons from an oppressed minority who were attracted to a political group that promised universal citizenship and the elimination of exploitation. Still, with the exception of Trotsky, the most important Communists were not Jews at all. It is therefore wrong to call Communism "Jewish" (even Marx was raised as a Lutheran, incidentally). England and France never expelled the Jews, only Spain did. Most Jews have nothing much against Christianity, and positively love the United States. Again, your fantasies reflect ignorance and a bizarre hatred of Jews.......

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (237891)	3/14/2002 1:17:53 PM
From: E. T.	Respond to of 769670

It's laughable how you paint history. My dad tells me about Jewish folks who were involved in Estonian politics in the 20s and 30s and how as the world war was beginning to erupt, they were the peaceniks, along with my uncles, and instead of fighting they protested to the Soviets about their removal of statues (to melt and make bullets) commemorating Estonia's independence. The soviets shot the jewish people and shipped the rest of the protestors to Siberia. They all died there, except for my grandfather who they released in 1956. But Jewish folks had a doubly hard time, because when the Germans arrived, they rounded them up an put them in cattle cars, where my mom said they were packed so tight, you could see the dead ones still standing crushed against the inside walls of the rail car. And as far as my family's ties to its Jewish side goes, those folks vanished off the face of this earth. The long and short of it is, my mom and dad only knew jewish people in their youth who fought against communists, bolesheviks, soviets, whatever you want to call them.