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To: mcg404 who wrote (16916)	3/17/2002 8:39:05 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi John, Continuing on 3G, as it is the weekend ... <<This presumes a right answer exists if only we had the resources to find it ... law of unintended consequences will overwhelm our human cleverness every time>> Yes it exists. No we will not find it. <<So looking for it is not (usually) very productive>> I agree. <<almost all the other participants in these debates are hypocrites if held to your standard>> Yes. <<i'd argue that the debate itself is futile. Why argue about the "best" method of supply when the issue is actually about demand?>> and so there is an answer after all? <<Because we are equally inept (and more uncomfortable) with social engineering.)>> Yes. <<It is always easier to build a dam. Plus you get that ribbon cutting ceremony to celebrate.>> Precisely. Chugs, Jay

To: mcg404 who wrote (16916)	3/17/2002 9:31:38 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hydro-power appeals a lot to developing countries. Giant hydro power is remains of the centralized mindset of bureaucrats and autocrat governments type of Mahatir of Malaysia and South American dictators. The local contractors can get big deals on the civil works part. Consultants get business, it employs lots of hands and such. The Siemens, GE, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, ABB, Voight, Alsthom of this world only can sell power generating equipment in this limited market and sweet the deals. But it is not the plant itself: The generating plant is always faraway from where the consumers are and they have to build long transmission lines, substations switch gear and such ancillary systems. It's been happening in Brazil for quite a long time. Here they built a 12.000MW plant,and transmission line of 1 million-volt DC transmission line with AC/DC conversion at one end and DC/AC conversion at the other end. These infra deals keep the economy going a la Stalin: throw a lot of capital and labor in the economy.