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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (21594)3/17/2002 6:28:45 PM
From: Condor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The multiplying effect often manifests itself in startling ways when the scenario involves a large dam. By blowing
up a dam -- a relatively simple terrorist act --


Would you agree the bold is a huge miscalculation?

C



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (21594)3/17/2002 6:58:10 PM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hawk,
certain types of construction are not easily attacked by explosives...dams, tunnels and filled arch bridges are high on that list.

it would take huge quantities of well placed conventional explosives to collapse any large concrete and steel reinforced dam...i am talking freight car loads. dams get thicker and thicker at the base...they are strongest where you need to attack them.

of course anything can be destroyed by a big enough nuke.

it is a plausible idea imo...i doubt the dam is the highest priority target...but it certainly could be on a list for another coordinated, multiple, target attack. they seem to like infrastructure damage and that would certainly apply here...ole miss is major transportation system.
uw



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (21594)3/18/2002 10:21:32 AM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
According to this source, the Mississippi/Ohio flood of 1937 was estimated at 157 trillion TONS of water.

library.thinkquest.org

According to this source, the Mississippi flood of 1927 was half as bad.

studentweb.tulane.edu

If so, 20 trillion gallons would not be quite as bad, although coming all at once would be really bad. But that much water would jump the banks and go everywhere, it can't stay channelled, so it wouldn't be that much by the time it got south.

I don't know how bad it would be north of Louisiana, but I don't think it would take out the two bridges (at least the new bridge) in Baton Rouge, the new bridge in Luling and all the bridges in New Orleans (can't remember how many - four?). Those bridges are very wide and very tall. One thing they'd do is open the locks at Old River, and let the water go into the Atchafalaya, probably.

Of course, even if they did not open the locks at Old River, this would probably be the final blow to the locks, anyway, as that much water would take them out and then the Mississippi would go where it wants to go, through the Atchafalaya basin. I don't believe anyone really knows whether enough water would stay in the present channel for navigation and cooling the chemical plants and oil refineries south of Baton Rouge.

studentweb.tulane.edu

IOW, not good, but I don't think it would happen like the scenario has it. BWDIK?

Here is a photo of the Luling Bridge under construction. That's a big sucker.

greenvillebridge.com
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Now here is one I was thinking about last night. Taxicabs. They're everywhere. We never notice them. And most of the people driving them in the DC metro area are Muslims.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (21594)3/18/2002 1:20:27 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
That site also mentions crippling the power grid.

Anyone else remember the big blackout over 30 years ago on the East Coast ? That was quite something, and caused a top to bottom revision of handling of power outages. I haven't looked, but I'll bet somewhere on the web you can find one of the before/after pictures caught of the Manhattan skyline - nothing but traces of the car headlights on the parkways...