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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Grandk who wrote (11712)	3/18/2002 12:00:30 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

Death ? Everything on earth and even the universe itself is cyclic and evolves and dissipates , is born , grows , and is returned into the elements. To understand death , one first would have to become fully aware (awakened) to what truely is life . It is life that must be lived first , and deeply . The religions of the God of Abraham are very nebulous in understanding death . Their prophets , including Jesus and Mohammed politicized death and used it as a vieled threat to try and sway the minds of those they wished to convert , as they used the promise of heaven to entice believers into doing good . God was turned into the simplest metaphor of the "Father" who could be benign, full of love and compassion ...or be rathful and lashing out with violence and condemnation . Both Jesus and Mohammed were trapped by these older Abrahamic simplifications of God , and both could never let themselves escape this limited and ancient tribal conceptualization entirely . But they were teaching to win hearts & converts and had to use what language and images and myths they had at their disposal at the time to describe what first must have appeared to them in their meditations and original inspired visions . But those kinds of experiences of the "infinite" do not translate well , and almost impossible to describe. It is in the experience , deep within ourselves that we find God , or the view of something eternal . I for one , if I were to worship God....would choose not to worship the God of Abraham ...this God was ever a fickled child , and not the greatest reality. And there is better poetry to be found on earth than what I see in the Bible and Torah & Koran...and better saints and teachers that are living today.

To: Grandk who wrote (11712)	3/18/2002 12:17:07 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Here is one that is considered a Saint , writing "On death" (and I think you'll find the poetry and essence far far more beautiful than anything you have ever read in the Bible , Koran or the Torah...and yes , was better poet than Jesus or Mohammed by far... ) On Death Then the Lady Almitra spoke, saying, "We would ask now of Death." And he said: You would know the secret of death. But how shall you find it unless you seek it in the heart of life? The owl whose night-bound eyes are blind unto the day cannot unveil the mystery of light. If you would indeed behold the spirit of death, open your heart wide unto the body of life. For life and death are one, even as the river and the sea are one. In the depth of your hopes and desires lies your silent knowledge of the beyond; And like seeds dreaming beneath the snow your heart dreams of spring. Trust the dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity. Your fear of death is but the trembling of the shepherd when he stands before the king whose hand is to be laid upon him in honour. Is the shepherd not joyful beneath his trembling, that he shall wear the mark of the king? Yet is he not more mindful of his trembling? For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun? And what is to cease breathing, but to free the breath from its restless tides, that it may rise and expand and seek God unencumbered? Only when you drink from the river of silence shall you indeed sing. And when you have reached the mountain top, then you shall begin to climb. And when the earth shall claim your limbs, then shall you truly dance.