To: 2MAR$ who wrote (11776 ) 3/19/2002 9:27:57 PM From: Giordano Bruno Respond to of 28931 Well 2MARS$, this little gem, (Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.)has effected a New Testament hubbub around our little Christian/serpent-viper home. Also, I'd heard Jez was quite the old school tramp but had no idea The Prince of Peace was interested in murdering her children. Jeez, and I thought this behavior only existed in the Old Testament. However, having emailed my better half, her "assistant pastor" has rectified the matter. It is, as expected, a contextual matter. Kill, in the context of the commandment, would refer to the premeditated taking of the life (murder) of one or more innocent persons. Innocent in the context of the commandment "thou shalt not kill" would refer to someone not guilty of a Biblical capital crime. It is not until after the flood that capital punishment is prescribed as the punishment for the sin of murder. After the flood, when God killed most of mankind for their sin, God prescribed the death penalty for those who took the life of another human being. The fact that a life is taken by another is not always murder, and even when we may call an act murder, there are still different levels of culpability. The Old Testament therefore prescribed differing punishments, depending upon the circumstances of the killing. Murder is sin and thus is forbidden because God has given life to man and has reserved the sole right to take it away. Because He has that right, he can for His purposes use people to execute His judgment. Even in cases where capital punishment is administered, it is done in God's behalf, with man acting as the agent of God's wrath (Gen. 9:5-6; Rom. 13:4). In the Sermon on the Mount, the Lord recalls the commandment, "You shall not kill," and adds to it the proscription of anger, hatred, and vengeance. Going further, Christ asks his disciples to turn the other cheek, to love their enemies. He did not defend himself and told Peter to leave his sword in its sheath. Jesus had a unique mission which was not to be interfered with for any reason. This passage only establishes that one need not defend himself or allow another to defend him. It has nothing to do with allowable justifiable defense or action. Hope this helps. Neil