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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (11852)3/20/2002 10:05:34 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 28931
 
Sort of the same exaggeration as one finds in the bible ,
in the Gospels , of the "multitudes" always conveniently showing up and following Jesus around huh? All the borrowed miracles and myths inserted to give it more weight , and the sad sad ending upturning the moneylender's tables.

He only preached for barely 3 yrs and we know barely a thing about his life...even the apostles ran away when he was crucified. The one who started Christianity going up in Corinth , Paul , never met Jesus or even heard of one of his miracles . The sermon on the Mt , almost word for word
spoken by Buddha already 500 yrs before.

The "preaching" of fire and brimstone , and all that damnation and condemning , and the schizophrenic jealous God of the Sinai , you, the Jews and the Moslems worship is at the heart
of it all .

Maybe the world was better off without this God of
Abraham , yes? Maybe God Should be Replaced?



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (11852)3/21/2002 12:43:05 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
The Jews of Spain were told to convert or get out, at the same time the Muslims were kicked out- around 1492, when Granada fell to the Christians. The Jews were welcomed (relatively and ironically) in the Muslim territories, because at that time the Muslims were much more tolerant than the Christians. Of course the Spaniards suspected the "Marranos"- you DO know that means swine right? They had forced the Jews to convert or get out, and then persisted in persecuting them, often killing them, because they then suspected them for converting. And guess what? Lots of "innocent" Christians got accidentally identified as "marranos" and got killed too (bully!). The Jews only "traitorous crime" would have been keeping their religion- IF they did that. Because that WAS the crime. And according to the historians I have read many of the people who were killed probably had legitimately converted.

"only 6000" Jews- I like how you can say that
do you know what the total population was at that time? And although only 6000 may have been found "guilty" lots of others were killed by their neighbors in waves of what we would now call "ethnic cleansing". I am sure that is something you can get behind- as long as it is the Jews who are being cleansed.

Awful awful awful
I'd wager you haven't even read any good scholarship on Spain and Granada- you probably get your info from www.ihatejews.com



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (11852)3/21/2002 2:24:37 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
The Source of Anti-Semitism...

On page 65 of his magnum opus, Mein Kampf, Adolph Hitler, one of the most notorious butchers in all of history, makes the following statement:

" Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. "


Is this a just rationale for his savagery?


When viewed objectively, the answer has to be an unqualified "yes." Germany has always has been a devout Christian nation. It has produced many of the world's most eminent Bible scholars and church leaders, not the least of whom is the great Martin Luther, the father of the Reformation. In view of this, how could the German people have tolerated Hitler and the NAZI party whose announced aim was to rid the world of Jews? How could they have sanctioned the Holocaust which will stand forever as one of the blackest pages in human history? Perhaps the answer to these disturbing questions are to be found in Germany's strong Christian tradition.

Let us examine selected New Testament verses and compare them with words said and deeds committed against Jews by the church and its leaders.

Matthew 8:12 ~ But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness.

Matthew 23:37-38 ~ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matthew 27:25 ~ Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Comment - To imagine that this self curse on their children was actually uttered by any group of Jews, is a violation of respect for the human intellect.

Mark 13:9 ~ But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten.

Mark 16:16 ~ He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 8:44-47 ~ Ye (Jews) are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Acts 7:51-53 ~ Ye stiff necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? They have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Acts 13:45-46 ~ But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Titus 1:10-14 ~ For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 ~ For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

1 John 2:22-23 ~ Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is Antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

These are but a few of the many vicious and treacherous anti-Semitic statements to be found in the New Testament.

What follows are some quotes of noted Christian saints and leaders. Notice how their anti-Semitic expressions are all based on New Testament verses listed above.

Origen: "The Jewish rejection of Jesus has resulted in their present calamity and exile. We Christians say with confidence that the Jews will never be restored to their former condition for they have committed a crime of the most unhallowed kind in conspiring against the savior."

St. Gregory: "Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophet, enemies of God, haters of God, advisories of grace, enemies of their father's faith, advocates of the devil, a brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, a congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, stoners and haters of everything that is good."

St. Jerome: "They (the Jews) are serpents, haters of all men. Their image is Judas. Their psalms and prayers are but the braying of donkeys.

St. John Chrysostom: "A synagogue is not only a whorehouse, it is also a den of thieve and a haunt of unclean wild animals. When animals are unfit for work (as the Jews clearly are) they are marked for slaughter. By making themselves unfit, they have become ready for slaughter.
This is what Jesus meant when he said in Luke 19:27, ‘Take my enemies who did not want me to reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me'."


St. Augustine: "Judaism is a corruption. Indeed, Judas is the image of the Jewish people. Their understanding of the scriptures is carnal, but above all, they bear the guilt for the death of the savior. They killed the Christ."

St. Thomas Aquinas: "It would be lawful to hold Jews because of their crimes in perpetual servitude. Therefore, the princes may regard Jews as belonging to the state."

Martin Luther:

"Know oh adored Christ that aside from the devil you have no enemy more venomous, more desperate, more bitter than the Jews. They are the children of the devil, as our Lord Jesus Christ said. What then shall we Christians do with this damned and rejected race? First, their synagogues must be set on fire. What ever does not burn must be covered with dirt. Second, their homes shall be destroyed. Third, they shall be deprived of their prayer books and Talmud in which such idolatry and blasphemy are taught. Fourth, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach. In truth, the Jews, being foreigners, should posses nothing. What they do possess in our land should be ours. In short, the Jews must be driven out of Germany."

Rev. Jerry Falwell ( using the term "reverend" very very losely):
"The Antichrist is alive today, and he is a Jew."

and

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