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To: E who wrote (3880)	3/21/2002 1:26:03 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

I take it I don't get an answer about McVeigh and bin Laden? the current unfair, discriminatory lottery system Life is unfair. It's unfair to all of us. Discriminatory? As in racial? Certain racial groups do in fact commit more crimes. Is it surprising they get more punishment? Execute the innocent? Juveniles? The mentally retarded? I suppose that's fair. McVeigh and bin Laden are the poster children for the other side. The innocent? No. Absolutely not. Obviously. Juveniles? Define that term. You're telling me that at the age of 16 you didn't understand that murder was wrong? Remember, we're rarely talking 6-year-olds here. The mentally retarded? Let's see, let's take Murder 1. So they're smart enough to plan and execute a murder but not to understand what murder is? But McVeigh and bin Laden are not innocent, juveniles, or mentally retarded. What of them? I've explained the best I can I just got in on this and haven't read back. Somehow I doubt we're going to see eye-to-eye on this, though.

To: E who wrote (3880)	3/21/2002 7:26:30 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

>>If I were, I'd 'deserve' punishment myself, in my moral view.<< You appear to be saying that people who support the death penalty should be punished for it. I agree with you that the present system sucks and is full of unfairness. But the death penalty, per se, is not what's wrong with it and eliminating the death penalty changes little or nothing of what really is wrong with it. And what really is wrong with it, basically, is that it's administered by imperfect human beings who either make mistakes or don't make the choices we personally would make.