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To: StormRider who wrote (1258)	3/21/2002 12:00:28 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 6945

Modified British Tanks Are Used In Raids Anger as Israel violates arms promise Richard Norton-Taylor and Michael White Wednesday March 13, 2002 The Guardian Ministers are demanding an explanation from Israel about its use of British military equipment in actions against Palestinians in the occupied territories. guardian.co.uk At least there is a debate about this in England, even though we know it won't lead anywhere. This exact scenario arose in the U.S., in fact a worse scenario, in 2000, when it became public that Israel was using American Apache helicopters to attack civilians. We responded by sending them a new batch of Apaches. Tom

To: StormRider who wrote (1258)	3/21/2002 1:29:34 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 6945

Reporters know that to criticize Israel -- to point out, for example, that wanton killing of innocents is equally devilish, whether committed by Ariel Sharon's soldiers flying U.S.-made helicopters, or by a Hamas suicide bomber who pushes the button -- is to risk being called an anti-Semite. It's a tired canard meant to bludgeon debate into silence, but it's often effective. Indeed. Tom

To: StormRider who wrote (1258)	3/21/2002 1:41:26 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 6945

I don't know what you are worried about. Daniel Pipes has reassured me that there is no story here. -g- jewishworldreview.com Tom

To: StormRider who wrote (1258)	3/21/2002 4:00:10 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

Secret Government Report on Israel’s Spy Operation in the US antiwar.com They were looking for the 800 million American taxpayer's dollars.

To: StormRider who wrote (1258)	3/24/2002 3:13:26 PM
From: Frederick Langford	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6945

Borrowed from Foreign Affairs thread... Poll finds 70% of Americans think Arafat is an obstacle to peace. I find this cheering and remarkable considering the lousy "cycle of violence", "tit-for-tat" coverage that the Mideast violence gets: Palestinian Blames Rises in US Poll By The Associated Press March 23, 2002, 2:20 PM EST Americans increasingly blame the Palestinians for violence in the Middle East, a Newsweek poll released Saturday finds. The telephone poll of 1,001 adults was taken Thursday and Friday, and has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points. The poll found that: * Nearly half of the respondents blame the Palestinians for the violence, while 12 percent blame the Israelis -- compared with 42 percent and 11 percent, respectively, in a December poll. * Seventy percent said Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was an obstacle to peace, while 63 percent thought that in December. By comparison, 40 percent said Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was hurting peace prospects; the figure was 35 percent in December. * Nearly two-thirds said they think that Arafat cannot control extremist Palestinian groups responsible for the violence while 44 percent think that Sharon cannot control extremists on his side. * More than three-fourths said it was very or somewhat likely that violence in the region might lead to a wider war involving other Middle East countries. * People were nearly split on whether the United States should favor creating a Palestinian state -- 44 percent said no and 39 percent said yes. Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press newsday.com. Fred

To: StormRider who wrote (1258)	3/29/2002 2:25:10 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 6945

atlanta.creativeloafing.com Urban myth, my ass! More proof of conspiracies -- spies, legislators and KSU BY JOHN SUGG Federal Justice Department flaks have denounced reports of a massive Israeli spy ring as an "urban myth" -- despite solid reporting by Fox News, a French online service -- and by CL. Along with our Tampa sister paper, Weekly Planet, CL was the first American newspaper to obtain, substantially quote from and publish a confidential 60-page Drug Enforcement Administration document detailing the apparent spying by Israeli "art students" who tried to gain access to sensitive federal buildings, military bases and intelligence officials' homes. A deafening silence is all we got from federal spokesmen. If the reports are true, and they are, then the U.S. intelligence brass either allowed spying by a friendly nation - or were incompetent. CL now has obtained additional proof of the spying. Among other accusations is that the ring was related to high-tech Israeli companies that sold products to the federal government and telecommunications companies. The Israelis, so it is thought, could have monitored federal wiretaps and gained information on every call placed through America's 25 largest phone companies. Many of the 120 Israelis detained in recent months had connections to the companies, as well as backgrounds in electronic intelligence for their country's military. One document obtained by CL -- from sources with years of close cooperation with both U.S. and Israeli intelligence services - is a March 4 letter from Robert Diegelman, an assistant attorney general. In it, he commands that with sensitive Justice Department communications, "Foreign Nationals shall not be allowed to access or assist in the development, operation, management or maintenance of the equipment." CL sources say this move results directly from the disclosures about the Israeli spy network. A Dec. 18 e-mail among DEA communications employees makes clear that the agency underwent self-scrutiny as the "result of the Fox network expose on Israeli counterintelligence activities." CL also has verified with more than a half-dozen DEA agents specific parts of the 60-page document - DEA Washington spokesmen won't confirm or deny the authenticity of the report despite their own agents' confirmation. Jack Wall, DEA's supervisor in Montgomery, Ala., said the portions of the document pertaining to his office were "definitely" accurate. Other agents didn't want to be named.