To: Bill who wrote (4079 ) 3/21/2002 6:08:59 PM From: Solon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057 "You may flame me in my absence all you want and you won't be challenged. Just the way you like it." No, Bill. I have no desire to flame you either in your absence, or while you are present. Keeping you honest and decent when you respond to me is my only purpose. Your web site which you have again posted shows the method of execution which was in place since June 1, 1977 when N. Carolina revised their death penalty laws to skirt the SC ruling."1883-1908: hanging 1909-1934: electrocution 1935-1982: lethal gas 1983-present: lethal injection or lethal gas" I accept the fact that you were trying a confusing web site which clearly mislead you. Here are a couple of proper sources:doc.state.nc.us doc.state.nc.us deathpenaltyinfo.org Also, Bill. That nonsense you were spouting about plagirizing from a site was ugly and foolish. The factual information I posted does not change from site to site. James Adams was executed in 1984. Period. I gave you the links to the only sites I knew of that answered your question about John Adams..every single one except for duplicates and repeated content. I have seen the site you posted, but it is not one I normally go near because I find it to be minimal. As for the meaningless stat on NYC which dropped after the year in which it hit (my memory stands to be corected) the first or second highest rate in history. In order to maintain the mean, such anomalies naturally correct. Of course, if you would like me to go through the matter state by state I suppose that is possible. But those stats are all over the web and it is clear that it is not a deterrent. There are also many web sites which explain why this is so. As you see by the correct N. Carolina stats from 1977 to 1978, the point you thought you were making simply dissappears. If we went through each state by state it would show you that the anomaly of n. York was that the rate HAD to drop the next year. An unusyually large number of people got murdered in N. York in 1994. I could find out why and what, but there is no point. The data has been studied by people on both sides of the DP issue, and it simply finds no credible support for deterrence. Murder rates vary due to many factors, year by year, place by place, circumstance by circumstance. The Death Penalty is not an issue which needs to be toed as a party line or you will risk losing your identity. My principled opposition to it is the evidence I have seen in life, and in the statistics and histories on the web as regards the risk to innocent life and the chance that the true perpetrator will never be looked for after an execution; and, whether or not he kills again, he will always have the same kind of smirk on his face that Clinton did. Surely you can see the advantage of preventing that... ;-)