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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (21910)	3/21/2002 11:16:17 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Tribal feelings aside, I do not believe that letting Israel be destroyed just to prove a point is in America's best interest. No. I would concur that it would not be. But neither is it in our interest to be dragged into an all-out regional war with the Arab world if there is not absolute belief that Israel has been willing to take EVERY risk in bringing about peace in the region, however unlikely that prospect might be. But the destruction of Israel would not prove to be a world ending event either. Some Americans even believe that Israel is more trouble than it's worth, thus encouraging the belief that there should be no effort to defend the nation. And that's why Israel can't push their luck too far. Even if they were able to nuke their Arab enemies before they were destoyed, from the US perspective that would be just fine.. Fewer Arabs we have to deal with. Again... I'm not saying I don't care about the fate of Israel. But if American boys are going to be sent to fight and die, Israel had better be as just in the cause they are dragging us into, as they can possibly be. Hawk

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (21910)	3/22/2002 10:38:50 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

>>Kristallnacht followed soon after<< German Jews were terribly abused as soon as Hitler took power in 1933. They were hounded out government jobs, university jobs, school teaching. Students were hounded out of schools. Jews were imprisoned on pretexts. You probably already know this but Dachau, the first concentration camp, opened in 1933. I recently took a class on the history of the Nazi party taught by Dr. Peter Black, historian for the Holocaust museum. One of the things we students could not understand was why the Jews did not leave long before Kristallnacht. Of course, some were in denial, and some were old, and some were poor, and some had small children or aged parents. But still. Jewish books burned in 1934. In 1935, the "Nuremberg Laws" were enacted. Jews were no longer considered German citizens. In 1936, Jewish doctors were prohibited from practicing medicine in German institutions, or treating "German" (non-Jewish) patients. In 1937, Buchenwald opened. In March, 1938, the Anschluss - all anti-Semitic laws apply in Austria. In August 1938, Mauthausen opens. Munich was September 30, 1938. Kristallnacht, November 9-10, 1938. Maybe it's a little self-serving to blame Kristallnacht on Munich? From 1933 to 1938, nobody stood up to Hitler. The Jews just knuckled under. Dr. Black said - and I hope I am getting this right because I don't want to misrepresent what he said - that Jews were used to being persecuted. They had been persecuted for centuries. So they told themselves, "this too shall pass." And no civilized person could honestly believe that Hitler could and would do what he did, and that the German people would go along with it. Nor that the people in the occupied parts of Europe would cooperate. It was unthinkable. Apparently even to the Jews.