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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: briskit who wrote (11880)3/24/2002 4:02:23 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
Here's a good link to mystic side of Islam , Sufism
arches.uga.edu

What is very interesting , is that esentially Sufism is love/object/God centered and the belief that a direct personal relationship and blissful experience of a closeness to God/Allah may be had while one is alive .

(using Bahkti Yoga's mantra/chants and
meditation/focus on self- liberation)

With the chief obstacle to this journey being one's self "Ego" (nafs) , & ego's "attachments".

Some of the gross effects of the dominance of the nafs are that one may become overwhelmed by the need to gratify desires such as anger, lust, and the many addictions that afflict us. Other gross effects are that one may become dominated by states of consciousness such as anxiety, boredom, regret, depression, and self-pity-- so that one feels like a powerless victim or prisoner tortured within one's own mind.

Well . Where have we heard this all before ? Sounds strangely and mystically familiar to some former great teacher we all know and love from out of North India a
1000 yrs before , doesn't it ?

Hence, one of the emphases of Sufism is upon the struggle to overcome the dominance that one's "Ego" or nafs has over one, a struggle that first and foremost involves choosing at each moment to remember and surrender actively to God--irrespective of whether the form in which God becomes manifest is absence
or presence.


Mohammed and Jesus were both constantly wrestling with their own mind's perceptions of the externalized demons in the form of the "unbelievers" , idolator priests , Pharisees , pagans of their times ...they were trying to convey a vision they themselves were not quite fully in control of . So they lashed out often in fury and rage and called down their God/Allah's Holy Wrath and fell back on the old time-honored tradition of the threat of hell and torture and promise of
heavenly bliss .

And it is --->the will of Allah or Jehova.

That each of them became just a trifle bit caught up in there own "personal messianic visions" at times is an understatement , but they were playing to an audience of their day and age , in a world within a greater world at large , of which they knew so very little , but were destined to comletely shake the foundations of , and the unavoidable clashes of forces that inevitably followed
in a new form of high energy ---> theological land-grab for the souls of men and warriors vying for the favor and spoils Heaven and a appreciative Father Figure
in the sky , and instant "Bliss" when you die.

Pretty wonderful stuff always are visions of Utopia , they have been with us since the dawn of time.

So inherent in both teachings of Jesus and Mohammed their was a vision of good , and the stage was also set for condemnation , great zealousness , fear and many battles to come . God and we who are God's children ... against " Them " , who are the unbelievers and oppressors
of this world ....Mohammed accepted Jesus but refused
his God-status . (Oh boy , those were fighting words )

In this regard, the struggle with one's own nafs has been called the greater struggle or greater "holy war" (al-jihad al-akbar) in contrast to the lesser struggle (al-jihad al-asghar), which is against injustice and oppressors in this world. The concept derives from the popular hadith of the Prophet, in which he said to Muslims returning from a battle, "You have returned from the lesser struggle to the greater struggle." And he was asked, "What is the greater struggle?" He answered, "The struggle against one's self (nafs), which is between the two sides of your body." Needless to say, in Sufism these two struggles are mutually reinforcing and occur simultaneously. In particular, the practice of "engaged surrender" in the "greater" struggle with one's own nafs diminishes certain obstacles in the consciousness of the Sufi, obstacles that--if not stuggled against--will hinder the Sufi's capacity to engage in the "lesser" struggle in their life in the world.

With all the good Islam and Christianity may have set out
to do , there is still a great deal more to be realized going forward in both camps .

I just find it interesting , that when you distill down to the finest essences and mystical practices , whether Christianity or Islamic Mysticism , there is always Buddha or Mahavira sitting there serenely staring back out
at you .

Mohammed and Jesus both , were only beginning to scratch the surface of the sphere...but like in all things , it is only a start.
(Unless you believe in the "Judgement Day"...look out !)

;-)