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To: fyodor_ who wrote (75303)	3/22/2002 12:06:56 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

"but then neither is there on McKinley" You forgot the Mandelbrot stuff...

To: fyodor_ who wrote (75303)	3/22/2002 12:16:46 PM
From: Tony Viola	Respond to of 275872

Fyo, >You lambasted Gopher for (allegedly) buying into the Hammer hype… all the while you are doing the same with the McKinley hype… and just like you did with the P4 hype. I think the only McKinley hype you've seen on the threads is that all the major OEMs are designing around it. It's also rumored to be 1.5 to 2X faster than Merced, but nobody seems to be saying that's barn burner material, but good enough to sell. P4 is apparently scaling well. What other hype do you see about it? Tony

To: fyodor_ who wrote (75303)	3/22/2002 12:21:09 PM
From: Elmer	Respond to of 275872

You lambasted Gopher for (allegedly) buying into the Hammer hype… all the while you are doing the same with the McKinley hype… and just like you did with the P4 hype. McKinleys systems are shipping to customers now, today as we type. They aren't just bouncing balls across the screen. McKinley has design wins. These points aren't just hype. You then start rambling about "real data showing hammer performance". Sure, there is no (public) data on Hammer, but then neither is there on McKinley. Which one is closer to reality? The one bouncing balls or the one shipping? Oh, and just so you know, AMD made money on processors last year. They just lost more on flash :/ That was during the busiest quarter of the year with Intel unable to meet demand. What happens now that we're facing the slowest part of the year and Intel can meet demand? Will AMD's ink change color? The hype will flow and you will lap it up. EP