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To: Clappy who wrote (48904)3/22/2002 6:24:14 PM
From: Mannie  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
Clappy,

I remember reading recently that The Oracle of Omaha recently cornered and astronomical amount of silver, his buddy Billy Gates was in on it also, but not to the same extent. I bet Jimmy CrackCorn has the numbers..

Jimmy, do ya?

Clappy, I can't figure how silver stays so low in price when it is a bigtime consumable, and it is not a renewable resource.

Scott



To: Clappy who wrote (48904)3/24/2002 11:37:04 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
KlappTrappSyphMan, unsure of your COT silver figures
help me to understand what you are pointing out with COT
here are my morsels

Buffet bought in 1997-98 a reported 129 million oz silver
it is vaulted in Europe now, out of grasp of US Evildoers
Buff has done something smart also
he has lent much of the silver out, called leasing
he earned so far $1/oz against his original $4.50 cost
this is the physical equivalent of selling covered calls
except you cannot be called away, instead it is replaced
more like a stock brokerage lending stock for shorting
it must be replaced to the brokerage house

the reported Comex silver supply is 150 moz
annual world silver demand is 800 moz
annual production is 500 moz
annual foto recycle production is 150 moz
annual silver deficit is therefore 150 moz
my figures are from Wally Bently and confirmed elsewhere

depleted world silver reserves since 1990 are 1200 moz
USMint has announced empty US Strategic Silver Reserve
that used to be 6200 moz back in WW2 time
USMint is now a buyer on the world silver market

silver price is not climbing steadily for a simple reason
it is being suppressed by the central banker/ bullion banker collaboraters
from 1995 to 1999 the central banks encouraged a gold and silver carry trade with bullion bankers
e.g. JPMorgan and Citibank
they would lend it out for a criminal 1% lease fee
then JPM and Citi would sell the lent metal on market
at yearend they would buy on open market, pocket huge profits
if done on physical market, small profits
if done on futures exchanges, huge profits
if done with futures options, astronomical profits
called carry trade
(seen it done with Yen/USTBond from 1994 to 1998)

no problem with gold, since not consumed
so at yearend, what gold was borrowed at 330 was bought back at 310
then borrowed at 310 and buyback at 290 the next year
etc
so at yearend, what silver was borrowed at 510 was bought back at 490
then borrowed at 490 and buyback at 470 the next year
but in 2000 and 2001 and 2002, it has been rolled over into a new paper silver short contracts, and an increasing number of them

in 2000 the open interest short silver was 50 million oz
in 2001 the open interest short silver was 120 moz
it is climbing
it has to climb
(like pushing a tire tube underwater, harder if lower)

silver breaks the game wide open
the big boys are onto it
on the inside the big boys have become tools of the Federal Reserve (JPM, Citi)
they are promised something by the Feds, to be sure
they originally were collusion partners with the Fed and BankofEngland and Bundesbank
but now their longstanding collusive tie has led them to switch from carry trade participant to shorting partner
they are tools of the Fed, hellbent on destruction
with such a relationship with the Feds, bullion bankers cannot easily pull the switch and jump from short to long
as bullion bankers, they work very closely with the Federal Reserve

most folks dont know but the biggest gold reserve is not in Fort Knox
it is in NewYorkCity's Federal Reserve Bank
JPMorgan and Citibank are deep in bed with Feds
for both legitimate and illegitimate work
remember, Robt Rubin was Treasury Secretary under Clinton
now he is topdog at Citigroup
he probably taught GreenSpasm the carry trade game

does anyone wonder why Rubin resigned in early 2000?
it was to get out of govt and short the Nasdaq !!!
now I expect he will quickly switch sides and profit from the explosive upmoves
but allow JPMorgan to go under, a competitor

on the outside, Buffet is in and could not double his position if he tried
on the outside, Gates has bought the largest single position in PanAmerSilver (PAAS) in nearby Vancouver
on the outside, Soros has founded a promising mining firm Apex Silver (SIL)
on the outside, the Rothchilds family has been a big buyer

the big boys are aligned in opposition inside & outside
inside players are the guys who were in bed with the central banks with the gold/silver carry trade cozy game
but now, central banks have no more silver to put into the game

and the bullion bankers have replaced borrowed silver with paper silver

check out a rich website source
www.gold-eagle.com
and root around for the silver reports
great great articles

also, check out a different Mantz website
www.financialsense.com
and root around for Puplava's series on "Perfect Storm"

thanks so much for SilverBackGorilla name
very excellent, very appreciated, very cool, way cool

consumption of silver breaks the back of the game

expect to see a low silver price AND default shortages soon

then the game explodes in their faces
and takes gold up also, but nowhere near as much
by the way, silver bottomed about 40 cents lower, 10%
the goldeagle guys made a silver index that clearly bottomed
it is the only silver chart index I have seen

that is my financial side report, with no fundamentals in silver applications and replacement substitute attempts, which are ALL failing

please continue this line of discussion in depth
for a while, I thought I was talking to myself
if you have any trouble with goldeagle or financialsense, let me know
/ jim



To: Clappy who wrote (48904)3/25/2002 3:25:56 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 65232
 
Butch, my son. I'm not in to the paper parts of all this, nor the number crunching, but I'll tell you how your ol'dad thinks, re metals. A lot of this goes back to the late 70's, when we had stagflation, and coincidentally was the brief period of time between starting to save $ and when my ex moved in with the boys and we bought the farm, literally. I was sort of molded by Howard Ruff, who I may have discovered thru MOther Earth News, or just happened to be the first book I saw. I'm not here to defend or knock Ruff or any other goldbug doomsayer types..Ruff was just the guy I found, and a lot of it made sense. The book was written when inflation was in double digits, and some folks were thinking run-away, post WWI Germany inflation (stories where that you needed to go shopping with a wheelbarrow to carry your money, and that my brother farmers were exchanging bushels of potatoes for the richie's pianos).

I believe his recommendations were something like :store food (I believe the Mormans do that); get country property and tools, etc (I wasn't influenced by that at all; I started looking for something in the hills 6 months after I started working, because my area was just getting too crowded for me ). Then, aside from the usual advice, and I think he said debtors made out well because they paid back in cheaper dollars, he said get metals as a fall back position; silver, then gold, and he preferred coins because of liquidity. Finally, I am not sure exactly when in his plan, he talks about numismatic metals and ultimately gems, the latter because of their portability for refugees.

OK, so much for his plan. I grew up around coins; my grandfather was badly bitten by the collecting virus, had stamps, coins, insects, books, and a few odds and ends like arrowheads, and my uncle was a mail order coin dealer (I could never figure out if he was inept or corrupt...I tend to think he was just inept, but I digress). My grandfather started coin collections for each of us at birth; full set of Wash. quarters etc. I still have mine, more for sentimental value than collecting; I chose stamps for my hobby (and, small time, insects).

Anyway, I viewed coins as a way to make money, not a hobby. My bro and I used to get the parking meter money from the city, and pull out the good stuff and sell it to dealers.No sentimental attachment to the coin itself, except we did save the rare dates.

Anyway,I bought as many silver dollars as I could afford. Stashed them in the bank; they are still there. Also, my dad gave me numismatic gold, which is still there. As Dad said, "save this for emergencies". I think the silver is worth less than when I bought it, and, if you figure the safe-deposit fees, I have lost money. So? If the fit hits the shan, I have tangible metal, traditionally accepted everywhere Visa isn't, to get me thru. (Ruff talked about the price of lettuce being something like 10K paper {"Green frog skins"...Black Elk} or one silver quarter...absolutely out of control freight train runaway inflation).

I am still thinking about all this, coincidentally at a time when I finally got the divorce paid off and have money to burn, which is probably all it will be good for under Silverback's scenario...funny, you can't eat gold and you can't even start a fire with it, but it has been a constant thruout recorded history, right up to Japan today. I'm really tempted to start buying junk silver (the stuff in your pocket, only silver, like it used to be), this time from the profit end. I probably don't meet Ruff's guidelines for how much silver to keep, but I am getting old
and have land and an orchard and berries and deer and wild turkeys and my own water, so I don't need as much; besides, my boys are grown and have their own places, so I don't have to worry as much about providing security for them; truth be known, I may end up depending on them, jaja. Last time silver ran, I got in after it started; a tiny bubble, except for the Hunt Bros,jaja. It might well be time to get in.

Incidentally I found 2 silver dimes and a wheat penny in my change in the last 3 months, so keep yer I's open and cross yer tees. Also knew a guy in the '70's who would buy silverware at the auction for cheep cheep cheep and melt them down. Seems nobody wanted the stuff 'cuz it wasn't their initials on the spoons.

Sorry for the digital diarrhea.

Sundance