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To: thames_sider who wrote (4328)	3/22/2002 10:19:02 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

Well, in all candor, Thames, that reads (and I've read it three times now) like an explanation that really explains nothing. Examples, good or bad, aside, this was really the crux of my post: "There has to be an intentionality of some kind that we don't understand, in my view." Life seems bent on perserving itself and producing beneficial adaptations in a purposeful way. The fact that different species have developed the means to fly doesn't, to me, at all obviate the "intentionality" of flying and the purposiveness of "wings". To the contrary, imho. I don't believe wings are accidental or random...that's more or less my whole point. I'm not saying there's a white-haired old man with an etch-a-sketch who plotted this all out ahead of time. I'm saying there's something "else" at work that we still don't understand, and we likely don't even "see", because the sensory and temporal registers of our ability to perceive are fixed within a finite band, and it [still] lies outside the range of our [technologically-enhanced] cognition.

To: thames_sider who wrote (4328)	3/22/2002 10:27:19 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

Thamester...one of the classic evolutionary studies was done in your country. I'm relying on a 30 year old memory, but there was a species of moth in England which was white in color. As the Industrial age began to pollute certain areas with soot, etc, the moths in the dirtiest regions started becoming blacker, since the whitest ones resting on trees, etc were highly visible to predators. Moths in cleaner areas stayed white. Still the same species, able to interbreed, etc. Wharfie