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To: Ilaine who wrote (22012)	3/23/2002 9:42:48 AM
From: gamesmistress	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If the Jews "appeased" Hitler then so did Czechoslovakia. In both cases no one was willing to defend the rights of the weaker group or country, neither one of which could have stood up to Hitler on its own, and both of which were sacrificed in the interest of "peace". Neither the Jews nor Czechoslovakia had any leverage to truly negotiate with Hitler - Britain and France did, and you know what happened. I don't know what I would have done if I had been a German Jew in 1930's Germany - but "fighting back" - just how do you suppose they could have done that, with no support from anyone else? And even if I decided to leave, where could I have gone to be safe? My point is that the Jews had no power to appease - they had to take what Hitler dished out or get out. Britain and France were the appeasers - they had the power to do something and they didn't.

To: Ilaine who wrote (22012)	3/23/2002 7:47:09 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<The unpleasant fact is that Hitler always planned to exterminate all the Jews in Europe from the very beginning. One only has to read Mein Kampf to realize this. Mein Kampf was the best selling book in Germany from 1933 on. If I had been a German Jew and read it after Hitler took power, I would have taken it seriously.> So, what do the Koran and the Mad Mullahs say about infidels, atheists and their ilk? "Hack their heads" if we judge by their actions - and their words. What do the Chosen People, who are specially sacred and actually much better than normal humans, have in their books and stuff about gentiles and other less-chosen and not so special people? I wonder if it occurs to them and people like the evil-incarnate IRA that they are behaving and thinking like any common chimp tribe fighting over the girls, the territory and who gets to be the alpha male. When people say they are fixin' to do something, it's not a bad idea to take it seriously - there is usually a display prior to attack in the animal world, which is what we are dealing with. We should expect alpha-male GeorgeW's tribe to attack! He has said over and over that it's coming and there is going to be a lot of "Dead or Alive" sorting out of opposition which is either "For us or against us". From Godzone, Mq

To: Ilaine who wrote (22012)	3/23/2002 9:51:41 PM
From: frankw1900	Respond to of 281500

After Kristallnacht, Goering blew his top because German insurance companies had to compensate the Jewish business owners for the losses. Further, it bothered him to see perfectly good property destroyed. He had all jurisdiction for Jews transferred to him. Jews were definitely treated worse after Kristallnacht, but it seems clear to me that the Germans were trying to get the Jews to leave Germany, but leave their property behind. They wanted the Jews' property and money to finance the party and the rearmament. I believe the reason Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 rather than waiting until 1940, as the generals wanted, was in large part because they had run out of money, so wanted to loot the Poles. It was a vampire economy, a kleptocracy. They mistreated the Jews because they believed that the Jews had money that they could steal. Same with expulsion of jews from Spain. Theft was a big motive.